About Psalm 137

[Cow Poke]

They make pretty good salads, too!

[whag]

This has to be a joke. No one can be that much of a hypocrite.

No it's not a joke; no i'm not a hypocrite; and, yes, Sparko doesn't have a smidgen of understanding, as evidenced here:

most of us feel that ANY abortion, at any stage of life, is state-sanctioned murder.

In fact, many Christians have a more moderate pro-life view and don't consider ANY abortion, no matter the circumstance or stage of pregnancy, 'state-sanctioned murder."

The irony is that, as long as that extreme view persists, the movement won't reduce the amount of abortions. Catholics pushing hard against birth control serve as a perfect example of how far off the rails the movement has gone. Pro-birth has replaced pro-life.

[Cerealman]

And they are actually prophecies/predictions/guesses of the future, as they are presented. Since Revelation discusses another Babylon falling, who's to say 137 isn't a dual prophecy? I'm pretty sure that all the kings of the earth haven't praised God yet, if they did I must have missed that one.

Besides your own words can you provide a source?

[JohnnyP]

A similar view to mine:

Source: Biblical Horizons

The key to understanding the prophecy "against" Babylon in Psalm 137:8-9 is to remember who the Rock is in the psalter. The Rock is God. Dashing the children’s heads against the Rock is an image not of utter destruction but of salvation. (This is a great verse to preach on when doing an infant baptism.) Either a man falls upon the Rock and is saved, or the Rock falls upon him and crushes him (Luke 20:18). (In Psalm 137:9 "rock" is singular, not plural, contrary to the old King James and the NIV.) -Source

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[Christianbookworm]

How about a SCHOLARLY source?

[Jedidiah]

That's a very blunt way of talking about a nuanced issue. I like the Bible as literature and mythology. It's commands and decrees are often morally repugnant. There are other issues that arise when it is claimed to be inerrant or modern Christian practices are compared to the original word.

Blunt but completely accurate it appears.

[JohnnyP]

How about a SCHOLARLY source?

The old argument from authority, ok.

Source: Wikipedia

James Burrell Jordan (born December 31, 1949) is an American Protestant theologian and author. He is the director of Biblical Horizons ministries, an organisation in Niceville, Florida that publishes books, essays and other media dealing with Bible commentary, Biblical theology, and liturgy.

After his 1982 ordination in the Association of Reformed Churches, Jordan served for five years alongside Ray Sutton as associate pastor of Westminster Presbyterian Church, in Tyler, Texas. He was also the director of Geneva Ministries and Geneva Divinity School.

Since 1988, Jordan has carried out his teaching and writing work full-time through Biblical Horizons, a Niceville, Florida-based research and publishing ministry. Biblical Horizons emphasizes the Trinity and biblical absolutism with a covenant-historical approach to interpretation and a focus on biblical theocracy, eschatology and worship.

Jordan has also served since 2000 as head of the Department of Biblical Studies at the Biblical Theological Seminary, St. Petersburg, Russia, where he teaches Old Testament and Eschatology. -Source

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Would it help if I added a scholarly-looking image?

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[Cow Poke]

Would it help if I added a scholarly-looking image?

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You should have LED with that! I'm SOLD!!!!!

[pancreasman]

The old argument from authority, ok.

Source: Wikipedia

James Burrell Jordan (born December 31, 1949) is an American Protestant theologian and author. He is the director of Biblical Horizons ministries, an organisation in Niceville, Florida that publishes books, essays and other media dealing with Bible commentary, Biblical theology, and liturgy.

After his 1982 ordination in the Association of Reformed Churches, Jordan served for five years alongside Ray Sutton as associate pastor of Westminster Presbyterian Church, in Tyler, Texas. He was also the director of Geneva Ministries and Geneva Divinity School.

Since 1988, Jordan has carried out his teaching and writing work full-time through Biblical Horizons, a Niceville, Florida-based research and publishing ministry. Biblical Horizons emphasizes the Trinity and biblical absolutism with a covenant-historical approach to interpretation and a focus on biblical theocracy, eschatology and worship.

Jordan has also served since 2000 as head of the Department of Biblical Studies at the Biblical Theological Seminary, St. Petersburg, Russia, where he teaches Old Testament and Eschatology. -Source

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Would it help if I added a scholarly-looking image?

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Um, asking for a scholarly source is not an argument from authority. It's not even an argument.

[JohnnyP]

Also worthy of note is that it's daughter of Babylon. Zechariah was after Babylon fell to Persia. Who is the daughter, and who are her children?

Source: KJV

Psalms 137:8 O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us.

Revelation 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Zechariah 2:7 Deliver thyself, O Zion, that dwellest with the daughter of Babylon.

Psalms 137:9 Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

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[Cow Poke]

I'm thinking this is what we call eisegesis. Or, maybe shoehorning.

[JohnnyP]

Um, asking for a scholarly source is not an argument from authority. It's not even an argument.

I would have expected someone to argue how it can only be talking about First Temple Babylon and had nothing to do with the Babylon in Revelation, but I guess nobody wants to touch that one.

[JohnnyP]

I'm thinking this is what we call eisegesis. Or, maybe shoehorning.

Then I assume you think the Babylon in Revelation is all about First Temple Babylon and nothing was said about any other Babylon by OT prophets. Ok.

[Kelp(p)]

Catholics pushing hard against birth control serve as a perfect example of how far off the rails the movement has gone. Pro-birth has replaced pro-life.

The Catholic Church has always been against birth control for reasons that don't have much to do with abortion.

There is arguably a danger that it will spread to their Protestant and Orthodox fellow travelers, though.

[Cow Poke]

Then I assume you think the Babylon in Revelation is all about First Temple Babylon and nothing was said about any other Babylon by OT prophets. Ok.

Johnny, you're trying too hard. Some things fit, others don't. When something doesn't fit, it doesn't mean that all others do not.

Your assumptions about my thinking are about as valid as your assumptions about prophecy in general.

Seriously, you're trying too hard.