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Paul: The Worship of the Lord Jesus

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  • #76
    I think you should summarize it again just so you are clear in your delusions.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
      A. The Jehovah's Witnesses believe the Lord Jesus is not God and so therefore should never be worshiped.
      1. Reverent adoration should be expressed only to God. To render worship to anyone or anything else would be a form of idolatry...True Christians do well to direct their worship only to Jehovah God, the Almighty (Awake! April 8, 2000, page 26+27). Since "every prayer is a form of worship" (The Watchtower, December 15, 1994, page 23) this would mean that praying to the Lord Jesus is not allowed.
      The PAUL stateslike anythingimageimages.





      BU

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Bibleuser View Post
        The PAUL stateslike anythingimageimages.





        BU


        So then - God commands that the angels commit idolatry? I find that kind of hard to believe.
        1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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        Scripture before Tradition:
        but that won't prevent others from
        taking it upon themselves to deprive you
        of the right to call yourself Christian.

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        • #79
          Jesus didn't exactly keep His divine identity a secret. Remember that passage where Jesus treats a life threatening storm at sea as a minor inconvenience by telling it to be still and it ceases? The disciples realized that Jesus had to be divine due to onlly God doing something like that in the Old Testament.
          If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
            Jesus didn't exactly keep His divine identity a secret. Remember that passage where Jesus treats a life threatening storm at sea as a minor inconvenience by telling it to be still and it ceases? The disciples realized that Jesus had to be divine due to onlly God doing something like that in the Old Testament.
            JWs see Jesus as a sort of demigod. He is/was the incarnation of the angel Michael. After His death he went back to being an angel and his human body was put into eternal storage so it would never decay, as scripture describes.
            Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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            • #81
              Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
              JWs see Jesus as a sort of demigod. He is/was the incarnation of the angel Michael. After His death he went back to being an angel and his human body was put into eternal storage so it would never decay, as scripture describes.
              That's just weird. OT identifies the archangel Michael as God himself. Gen 32: 24-30
              1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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              Scripture before Tradition:
              but that won't prevent others from
              taking it upon themselves to deprive you
              of the right to call yourself Christian.

              ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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              • #82
                Originally posted by tabibito View Post
                That's just weird. OT identifies the archangel Michael as God himself. Gen 32: 24-30
                I think you're making some kind of unstated assumption here, because I don't see it. Jacob wrestles with a man who he afterwards identifies with God, but I don't see where the any connection is made between that man/God and the archangel Michael.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Chrawnus View Post
                  I think you're making some kind of unstated assumption here, because I don't see it. Jacob wrestles with a man who he afterwards identifies with God, but I don't see where the any connection is made between that man/God and the archangel Michael.
                  I stand corrected. (yet again)
                  1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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                  Scripture before Tradition:
                  but that won't prevent others from
                  taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                  of the right to call yourself Christian.

                  ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by tabibito View Post
                    I stand corrected. (yet again)


                    I mean, if you believe like I do that the Angel of the LORD in the OT is, at least in some cases, God the Son in pre-incarnate form you could make the case that Jacob wrestled with the Angel of the LORD/the Son, but that's still not the same as person as Michael.

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                    • #85
                      I'll accept the OT record as valid and correct unless proven otherwise, and that people who declared that they had seen God knew what they were talking about (with the same caveat). So yes - Jake met God, but in the seeming of a man, and no mention of an actual name.
                      1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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                      Scripture before Tradition:
                      but that won't prevent others from
                      taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                      of the right to call yourself Christian.

                      ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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