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Thread: Paul: The Worship of the Lord Jesus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jedidiah View Post
    JWs see Jesus as a sort of demigod. He is/was the incarnation of the angel Michael. After His death he went back to being an angel and his human body was put into eternal storage so it would never decay, as scripture describes.
    That's just weird. OT identifies the archangel Michael as God himself. Gen 32: 24-30
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    Quote Originally Posted by tabibito View Post
    That's just weird. OT identifies the archangel Michael as God himself. Gen 32: 24-30
    I think you're making some kind of unstated assumption here, because I don't see it. Jacob wrestles with a man who he afterwards identifies with God, but I don't see where the any connection is made between that man/God and the archangel Michael.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrawnus View Post
    I think you're making some kind of unstated assumption here, because I don't see it. Jacob wrestles with a man who he afterwards identifies with God, but I don't see where the any connection is made between that man/God and the archangel Michael.
    I stand corrected. (yet again)
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    Quote Originally Posted by tabibito View Post
    I stand corrected. (yet again)


    I mean, if you believe like I do that the Angel of the LORD in the OT is, at least in some cases, God the Son in pre-incarnate form you could make the case that Jacob wrestled with the Angel of the LORD/the Son, but that's still not the same as person as Michael.

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    I'll accept the OT record as valid and correct unless proven otherwise, and that people who declared that they had seen God knew what they were talking about (with the same caveat). So yes - Jake met God, but in the seeming of a man, and no mention of an actual name.
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