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    http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/earth-forever.php#L3
    http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/earth-forever.php
    And he thinks that entropy would somehow be a problem...
    hint: the universe also gets renewed!
    Last edited by Christianbookworm; 12-03-2014 at 12:29 PM.
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    Huh.

    He does raise some interesting points I hadn't thought of before such as the whole population thing. I guess it depends on whether there's different physical laws or not. And I don't think he gave good reasons why God can't just sustain the earth. Really, when we're talking about the renewal of creation, all bets are off.
    O Gladsome Light of the Holy Glory of the Immortal Father, Heavenly, Holy, Blessed Jesus Christ! Now that we have come to the setting of the sun and behold the light of evening, we praise God Father, Son and Holy Spirit. For meet it is at all times to worship Thee with voices of praise. O Son of God and Giver of Life, therefore all the world doth glorify Thee.

    A neat video of dead languages!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelp(p) View Post
    Huh.

    He does raise some interesting points I hadn't thought of before such as the whole population thing. I guess it depends on whether there's different physical laws or not. And I don't think he gave good reasons why God can't just sustain the earth. Really, when we're talking about the renewal of creation, all bets are off.
    Indeed. Is there a quota for major divine miracles?
    If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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    If the New Earth is to replace this one, what's the stop the new earth from becoming unsuitable? Will there then be a New New Earth?
    O Gladsome Light of the Holy Glory of the Immortal Father, Heavenly, Holy, Blessed Jesus Christ! Now that we have come to the setting of the sun and behold the light of evening, we praise God Father, Son and Holy Spirit. For meet it is at all times to worship Thee with voices of praise. O Son of God and Giver of Life, therefore all the world doth glorify Thee.

    A neat video of dead languages!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelp(p) View Post
    If the New Earth is to replace this one, what's the stop the new earth from becoming unsuitable?
    Rev 20:10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
    Last edited by Cow Poke; 12-03-2014 at 02:10 PM.

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    God sustaining the universe to the point of reducing entropy to null?
    If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christianbookworm View Post
    God sustaining the universe to the point of reducing entropy to null?
    I'm still marveling at the jargon!

    1 Tim 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

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    Entropy only applies to a closed system, so if God is constantly adding energy it would be effectively canceled.
    O Gladsome Light of the Holy Glory of the Immortal Father, Heavenly, Holy, Blessed Jesus Christ! Now that we have come to the setting of the sun and behold the light of evening, we praise God Father, Son and Holy Spirit. For meet it is at all times to worship Thee with voices of praise. O Son of God and Giver of Life, therefore all the world doth glorify Thee.

    A neat video of dead languages!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    It is warm Christlike admonitions like this that restore my hope in the future of Christianity.
    You think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by apostoli View Post
    Where did you get such a ignorant, stupid idea. Via my ex-wife I had over 20 years experience with the JWs and never did I hear such a stupidity. Of course you can take issue with the apostle Paul and scripture!!! (try reading Romans 6; 1 Cor 15). I suffer in my current body numerous disabilities, so no way do I want to be resurrected in my current state!!! Under the Christian hope/promise (via A.Paul) I am gauranted that "So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption"

    Good idea if you read scripture and poke your head out of your colon inspection occasionally.
    You are the one with the head in the wrong place. Kelp was not making the statement of his belief but of that of JWs. JWs do indeed deny the physical resurrection of the body of Jesus. According to them He was raised not with a glorified body, but a spiritual one. His physical body is preserved from decay in some undisclosed location. Kelp was not making the statement of his belief but of that of JWs.

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