My Wife Can't Keep Her Doctor. Period!

[Jedidiah]

Come on up to Canada, fellers!

Most stuff is free, if you don't mind waiting months, (or even years, depending on procedure needed), for appointments and treatments!

Let's just hope you live long enough to make your appointment.

[Cow Poke]

Let's just hope you live long enough to make your appointment.

If they have a serious problem and have to wait for an appointment, they just pop them in snowbank to preserve them til they can treat them.

[mossrose]

Let's just hope you live long enough to make your appointment.

Exactly.

[Cow Poke]

I just got a letter from my insurance company that a drug I have been on for over 6 years is now off of their approved list and if I really need it my doctor has to call for approval.

Yeah, letters.... My Family's Health Plan Was Cancelled And ObamaCare's One-Size-Fits-All Doesn't Fit Us

Source: Forbes

It finally arrived – the letter from my health insurance company announcing that my family will be moved to a new plan beginning January 1, that “meets all of the requirements of the Affordable Care Act” . . . for a mere $500 more a month.

I knew this was coming. Golden Rule has been sending me “warning” letters for months now. But really I’ve known this was coming for much longer – ever since Congress created the government-run, one-size-fits-all system known as ObamaCare. And I’ve watched as millions of others – like those on MyCancellation.com – have gone through the same ordeal of losing plans they liked and could afford.

© Copyright Original Source

[KingsGambit]

Just to be clear: I know the definition of "right" I use here is not the technical definition, but I think given the luxury of our society and the extreme income inequality, it's worth giving up some of the excess luxury to take care of the others. (Sort of like how some of the things listed in the Constitution are not necessarily human rights per se but our nation has decided to grant them as a right.) As JPH noted in the other thread, Christians should be doing this, but they are not to the extent that our society needs.

I don't think I'm lazy, by the way. I work two jobs and come home exhausted every day. Neither job insures me, and all I would really like is the opportunity to buy basic health insurance at a reasonable cost. I am grateful to have that opportunity at last.

[Cow Poke]

Just to be clear: I know the definition of "right" I use here is not the technical definition, but I think given the luxury of our society and the extreme income inequality, it's worth giving up some of the excess luxury to take care of the others. (Sort of like how some of the things listed in the Constitution are not necessarily human rights per se but our nation has decided to grant them as a right.) As JPH noted in the other thread, Christians should be doing this, but they are not to the extent that our society needs.

I don't think I'm lazy, by the way. I work two jobs and come home exhausted every day. Neither job insures me, and all I would really like is the opportunity to buy basic health insurance at a reasonable cost. I am grateful to have that opportunity at last.

I never figured you as lazy.

[Mountain Man]

Just to be clear: I know the definition of "right" I use here is not the technical definition, but I think given the luxury of our society and the extreme income inequality, it's worth giving up some of the excess luxury to take care of the others. (Sort of like how some of the things listed in the Constitution are not necessarily human rights per se but our nation has decided to grant them as a right.) As JPH noted in the other thread, Christians should be doing this, but they are not to the extent that our society needs.

I don't think I'm lazy, by the way. I work two jobs and come home exhausted every day. Neither job insures me, and all I would really like is the opportunity to buy basic health insurance at a reasonable cost. I am grateful to have that opportunity at last.

Two questions:

1) Is your basic health insurance at a reasonable cost worth it if you can't find a doctor to provide the service?

2) How much were other people unreasonably forced to give up so that you could have basic insurance at a reasonable cost?

I'm sorry, but I don't buy the argument that Obamacare is the "Christian" solution. Here's the problem with Obamacare in a nutshell:

Insure more people
Reduce costs
Improve the quality of healthcare

Pick two. Although in the case of Obamacare, pick one.

[Psychic Missile]

Hey Cow Poke, do you happen to know what general part or parts of Obamacare that created the specific problems you outlined? I didn't know it could have that effect.

[One Bad Pig]

Just to be clear: I know the definition of "right" I use here is not the technical definition, but I think given the luxury of our society and the extreme income inequality, it's worth giving up some of the excess luxury to take care of the others. (Sort of like how some of the things listed in the Constitution are not necessarily human rights per se but our nation has decided to grant them as a right.) As JPH noted in the other thread, Christians should be doing this, but they are not to the extent that our society needs.

I don't think I'm lazy, by the way. I work two jobs and come home exhausted every day. Neither job insures me, and all I would really like is the opportunity to buy basic health insurance at a reasonable cost. I am grateful to have that opportunity at last.

I don't think that poor people have a right to the possessions of rich people (or vice versa), including money. How does income inequality change that?

I agree that Christians should be helping more. It would help if some of my money was not going towards things like paying farmers not to grow crops and paving roads in Afghanistan.

[Cow Poke]

Hey Cow Poke, do you happen to know what general part or parts of Obamacare that created the specific problems you outlined? I didn't know it could have that effect.

No, I don't. I only know my Doctor sincerely believes Obamacare is driving him out of business and destroying his practice. I have no reason to doubt him.

[jpholding]

It goes over like a lead balloon with me for sure. "The mass wealth of our nation?" We have a deficit of 18 trillion dollars and going deeper in debt every day. Where is that "mass wealth of our nation?"

In 2012, Americans supposedly spent $2.6 billion on online gambling. That might be one place to start looking for it. I think that might buy quite a lot of cancer drugs.

I think the whole ACA setup is a disaster too. But as I like to say, the church could have kept Obamacare from happening just by doing what it was supposed to be doing.

Instead, for example, Florida's "Christian" governor:

1) opposes Obamacare and the Medicaid expansion (er wait...he flip flopped, now he supports the latter...never mind)
2) has $132 million in personal wealth
3) gave less than $100K to charity in the last recorded year (most of it in the form of an art collection)
4) takes advantage of his ability as a state employee who is also an elected official to have health insurance for about $8 a month (most state employees here pay at least $200 a month)

We won't have the authority to speak in moral terms about these issues as long as leaders like this one are who we support for public office.

[Jedidiah]

Hey Cow Poke, do you happen to know what general part or parts of Obamacare that created the specific problems you outlined? I didn't know it could have that effect.

The obamacare legislation is to large and unwieldy that no one can really understand it. Parts have to be pulled out and interpreted on their own. Without any meaningful reference to the law. No one can really answer that question.

[Jedidiah]

I don't think that poor people have a right to the possessions of rich people (or vice versa), including money. How does income inequality change that?

I agree that Christians should be helping more. It would help if some of my money was not going towards things like paying farmers not to grow crops and paving roads in Afghanistan.

And paying ISIS to wreak destruction on the world.

[Jedidiah]

In 2012, Americans supposedly spent $2.6 billion on online gambling. That might be one place to start looking for it. I think that might buy quite a lot of cancer drugs.

Good luck dealing with that. On line just makes it easier for folks. Gambling will never stop.

How about 8 billion per year on cosmetics, 17 billion on pet food, 12 billion on perfume. We waste a huge amount of money that could be better used elsewhere.

I think the whole ACA setup is a disaster too. But as I like to say, the church could have kept Obamacare from happening just by doing what it was supposed to be doing.

Very possible. Some churches do a lot, but many do very little.

We won't have the authority to speak in moral terms about these issues as long as leaders like this one are who we support for public office.

Not all of us vote for scum like that.

[KingsGambit]

Two questions:

1) Is your basic health insurance at a reasonable cost worth it if you can't find a doctor to provide the service?

2) How much were other people unreasonably forced to give up so that you could have basic insurance at a reasonable cost?

I'm sorry, but I don't buy the argument that Obamacare is the "Christian" solution. Here's the problem with Obamacare in a nutshell:

Insure more people
Reduce costs
Improve the quality of healthcare

Pick two. Although in the case of Obamacare, pick one.

To be clear, I have never suggested that Obamacare is the "Christian solution". It is what it is.