The Buddha dies: NO problem/ Jesus dies: BIG problem

[Vivian]

FALSE!

While the origins of Hinusim is monotheistic, in it's modern "evolution" - this hardly qualifies as any Message from God, more so from any number of gods - where anyone is a god.

Your reasoning is illogical, richbee.

If the "evolution" of a Revelation from God once it is received by men is the primary factor in determining Its validity then you need to throw out all of the Old Testament, yes?

Or is the present day understanding of the Old Testament by the Judaic tradition based on an acceptable "evolution" of understanding?

All Holy Scripture is distorted once the Messenger dies and it is left in the hands of men, including the words that were spoken by Jesus.

I do not have disagreement with the words that you quote from the Bible, richbee, just the evolution of Christian understanding.

It is the sifting time and each soul must choose which Master they are serving.


vivian

[Richbee]

Your reasoning is illogical, richbee.

If the "evolution" of a Revelation from God once it is received by men is the primary factor in determining Its validity then you need to throw out all of the Old Testament, yes?

Or is the present day understanding of the Old Testament by the Judaic tradition based on an acceptable "evolution" of understanding?

All Holy Scripture is distorted once the Messenger dies and it is left in the hands of men, including the words that were spoken by Jesus.

I do not have disagreement with the words that you quote from the Bible, richbee, just the evolution of Christian understanding.

It is the sifting time and each soul must choose which Master they are serving.


vivian

Try again!

The New Testament is not an "evolution", it represents a progressive Revelation of God, and more, a radical revolution of the Man - God Jesus who was born miraculously of the virgin Mary, lived, taught, and where the teachings were carefully recorded in four gospels within one generation, and where Jesus was perfect without sin, crucified, died on the cross (hung on a tree a curse for all the Sins past, present and future), the only begotten Son of God, the Lamb of God who washes away the Sins of the World, who was resurrected on the third day, and preached in the power of the coming of the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost (Acts 2) - the first day of the one Church of Christ. The rest is history and footnotes. 2 Billion Christians or more, here we are in the 21st century, and the PROGRESSIVE revelation continues all the way to Revelation 22.

Seek the "River of Life".

Krishna or the Buddha offered no such "revelation", and both were badly flawed men, and they knew it! The Buddha left his wife and son, and sought a kind of redemption or purification from his failures.

He was, as we use the word today, a Hindu. In Hinduism, either one is a "god in enlightenment", or a "god in ignorance", so when he rejected the Vedas, or other Hindu scriptures, was he ignorant or enlightened? (Please note that the Buddha never had the benefit of our scriptures and may or may not have sought God. Sadly, on this topic there is an empty void or silence.)

• All religions are not the same.

• All religions do not point to God.

• All religions do not say that all religions are the same.

• At the heart of every religion is a stubborn commitment to a particular way of defining who God is or is not - and a particular way of defining the meaning and purpose of life.

God is Speaking through his Word!!!

Contemplate the following account of:

A Hindu Testimony of finding Truth in the Bible:

....The Vedas and the other books were interesting, but they were decidedly speculative. There were no definite answers.

The Bible, on the other hand, pointed to definite answers. God loves people. God made His love known to people, of His own initiative, when He sent Jesus Christ to the world. A God pleading for me was a mind-boggling mystery.

I had been led to believe in searching for answers, and I had been taught that such a search could take many, many lives. Sages had attempted to discover the truth and the reality of Brahman for centuries, but without any success. I was under the conviction that real truth is found within oneself. God and man are essentially one. Separation comes from being born in this illusory world which catches man in its embrace and entices him away from finding the true meaning of life and existence. Deliverance is impossible unless one renounces the allurements of this world.

I had been trained to believe that God is unknowable, and therefore, beyond the reach of man.

And here was Jesus Christ, hanging on the cross, bleeding to death at the hands of Roman soldiers, declaring his forgiveness for their crass brutalities -- God searching for man and not man looking for God within himself."

Source:: Dr. Mahendra P. Singhal

[Richbee]

I apologize, richbee, there must be some misunderstanding. I was replying to your previous comment -

"Wonderful, except that no other scripture(s) in Eastern religion proclaim that they are the "Word of God", or record the very words of God."

by showing that, among other minor points, there are eastern scriptures that also offer as does the Old Testament - words spoken by God.


vivian

Sorry, I disagree.

Please quote any verse or page, where there is an explicit proclaimation of God speaking through the Word.

Perhaps you can quote a song about a god or many gods and goddesses??? Who was Krishna? Get back to us, birth? Life? Death? Teachings?

[Vivian]

Try again!

Thank you, richbee, for so clearly presenting why humanity's understanding of God is lacking, whether one is Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, etc.

Krishna is the Christ, the only begotten Son - Divine Love, through whom all that was created was created. In Krishna, as in Jesus, He is revealed complete but man so loves the darkness, he is unable to receive Him in fullness.

In Krishna, Christ is revealed as Brahma - the Creator, Vishnu - Mercy, the protector, preserver of creation, and Shiva - the Destroyer or the Sword of Christ.


God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son (the destroyer aspect of Divine Love - I come not to bring peace but a sword). Whosever believes in Him (accepts and knows the Sword of Christ) will have eternal life.

God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save it through Him. (the Sword of Christ is not sent as punishment or condemnation of mankind, but is sent as part of His Love, so that we can be freed/saved.)

Man loves the darkness, though, and is unable to receive the fullness of Christ. In Hinduism they have divided Him into three distinct gods, and in Christianity, they have received only the Mercy of Christ for themselves and sent the Sword out into the rest of the world. From my exposure to Islam, it feels they have done the same. The Buddhist religious tradition though, has maintained the fullness of Christ more than any other.

If one is to receive Christ, he receives Him in His fullness, making Christ a personal destroyer, not a savior. Self must die, must be brought down by the Sword of Christ so that we may join together as One in Him.

Love seeks to flow and join in sacred unity. It is glue that holds the indvidual cells or sparks of His Body together and will break down all barriers preventing such a uniting. It is Shiva Love or Sword of Christ that lashes out and brings down the walls.

Singha, in the article you quoted above, has in his escape into Christianity, actually rejected the fullness of Christ, has rejected Shiva Love, the destroyer, the Sword. There are those who escape from Christianity for the same reason. When they come face to face with the Sword of Christ - as taught in the words of Jesus and presented in John's Revelation - their love of self, of darkness, causes them to run and hide.

Eventually, though, there will be no hiding from God's Love.


vivian

[Vivian]

[QUOTE=Vivian]
Krishna is the Christ, the only begotten Son - Divine Love, through whom all that was created was created. In Krishna, as in Jesus, He is revealed complete but man so loves the darkness, he is unable to receive Him in fullness.

In Krishna, Christ is revealed as Brahma - the Creator, Vishnu - Mercy, the protector, preserver of creation, and Shiva - the Destroyer or the Sword of Christ.

/QUOTE]

This is incorrect. Although through Krishna the fullness of Christ was revealed, He was the manifestation of Mercy Love.

Just as in Jesus, the fullness of Christ was revealed, He was the manifestation of the Sword/Destroyer or Shiva Love.


vivian

[Richbee]

Krishna is the Christ, the only begotten Son - Divine Love, through whom all that was created was created. In Krishna, as in Jesus, He is revealed complete but man so loves the darkness, he is unable to receive Him in fullness.

In Krishna, Christ is revealed as Brahma - the Creator, Vishnu - Mercy, the protector, preserver of creation, and Shiva - the Destroyer or the Sword of Christ.

This is incorrect. Although through Krishna the fullness of Christ was revealed, He was the manifestation of Mercy Love.

Just as in Jesus, the fullness of Christ was revealed, He was the manifestation of the Sword/Destroyer or Shiva Love. - vivian

Your fantasy notions and Apostasy is noted. Did Krishna tesfy of God the Father? Where? Why don't Hindus believe this?

We know little or no hard facts about Krishna. What reality do you have, just illusions told through songs? (Note there is virtually no historical narrative in the Hindu scriptures.)

Birth, life, teachings, death, meaning and purpose?

You have only unorthodox and empty conjecture, and Krishna might have thought he was a god, but I doubt it, as originally Hindusim was monotheistic.

First Judaism and then Chistianity is against paganism, polytheism or Pantheism. The Law(s) of Karma, reincarnation and the Caste system is a curse, and the later being racist.

What is truth?

All Hindus believe in two fundamental, uncompromising doctrines—The Law of Karma, and the belief in reincarnation. These will not be surrendered.

Truth and Religion

Religion is about truth. It sounds strange to have to assert such an obvious idea. But in our day it needs saying. For, today, it is quite acceptable for religion to be about community, or for religion to be about cultural identity, but it is unacceptable for religion to be about truth. You see, truth carries with it the notion of its opposite, falsehood. And we are quite squeamish about saying this or that religious doctrine is false, lest we offend this or that religious adherent. For sure, concern to not offend is commendable, but not when it comes at the expense of emasculating the truth.

This contemporary squeamishness about truth in religion is not shared by religions themselves. In fact, all major religions make exclusive claims to truth. A brief summary of the claims of Jesus Christ in contrast to other religions makes this quite clear. Jesus repeatedly talked about the supreme value of truth, and made numerous powerful claims to it. Of Himself, he said,

"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." (John 14:6)

Just look at the implicit claims in that statement. First and foremost, He asserted that there is only one way to God. That shocks postmodern moods and mind-sets. Hinduism and Ba’haism have long challenged the concept of a single way to God. The Hindu religion, with its multifaceted belief system, vociferously attacks such exclusivity.

Jesus also stated that God is the Author of life and that meaning in life lies in coming to Him. This assertion would be categorically denied by Buddhism, which is non-theistic if not atheistic. Jesus revealed himself as the Son of God who led the way to the Father. Islam considers that claim to be blasphemous. Jesus claimed that we can personally know God and the absolute nature of His truth. Agnostics deny that possibility.

You see, every religion makes claims to truth—and claims to truth that exclude the truthfulness of other religions. Even Ba’hai, which claims universal inclusivism, excludes the truthfulness of religions that claim that truth is exclusive.

This brings me back to my original statement: religion is about truth. To pretend otherwise is just that, to pretend. And in matters as momentous as religion, it is perilous to pretend.

I make this point not to give opportunity for pride, but to clear away the haze that today surrounds thinking about religion. For clear thinking is imperative in matters as important as these."

By Keith Cox

[Richbee]

Singha, in the article you quoted above, has in his escape into Christianity, actually rejected the fullness of Christ, has rejected Shiva Love, the destroyer, the Sword. There are those who escape from Christianity for the same reason. When they come face to face with the Sword of Christ - as taught in the words of Jesus and presented in John's Revelation - their love of self, of darkness, causes them to run and hide.

Eventually, though, there will be no hiding from God's Love.


vivian

God? Who is the Hindu God? A pagan god?

The earliest Hindu literature, the Rig Veda, speaks often of “the Creator,” of “the One,” a Great God over all the other gods. He is called Varuna, and is closely related to the Zoroastrian god Ahura Mazdâ (“Wise Lord”) and the Greek god Uranus (Ourania).

Though an insignificant sea god in the current pantheon, Varuna was a prominent god in the ancient system, and the subject of many hymns in the Rig Veda. Zwemer writes that Varuna is “the most impressive of the Vedic gods. He is the prehistoric Sky-god whose nature and attributes point to a very early monotheistic conception”. This god is an ethical god, capable of great wrath or merciful forgiveness of sins.

Note this passage from the Vedas:

I do not wish, King Varuna,
To go down to the home of clay,
Be gracious, mighty lord, and spare.
Whatever wrong we men commit against the race
Of heavenly ones, O Varuna, whatever law
Of thine we here have broken through thoughtlessness,
For that transgression do not punish us, O god (Rig Veda VII.lxxxix.1-3).

Varuna is already on the decline by the time the Vedas were committed to writing; Indra, a warrior god, takes prominence in the later Vedic period. Yet even then, Varuna is qualitatively different from Indra and all the other gods that follow him in the Vedic literature; he is less anthropomorphic and more majestic (cf. Zwemer, p. 88). Other Hindu deities act like humans in the same way as the Greek gods, yet Varuna is above that. It would seem that this god embodies many of the qualities of Jehovah, albeit diluted and removed by many hundreds of miles and years.

Source

[Vivian]

What comes to mind immediately, richbee, is that you speak of things you know nothing about. Everything of this world is of the god of this world. Every religion, every thought we have, everything that we do - all, except going within as a child and finding the Kingdom that is not of this world, is part of Lucifer's kingdom.

Once you do that richbee, once you make that connection with God the Father, then and only then will you be able to see that your words here are spoken in foolishness.

Lucifer is the god of this world. Everything made here, including man's religions, worships him.

Some day all will See and Know.



vivian

[Vivian]

Your fantasy notions and Apostasy is noted. Did Krishna tesfy of God the Father? Where? Why don't Hindus believe this?

The Hindus do not believe for the same reasons the Christians do not believe. They both follow man's distorted understanding of their Scriptures and do not go within to find the one True Teacher to not only teach them, but to show them so they will Know.

We know little or no hard facts about Krishna. What reality do you have, just illusions told through songs? (Note there is virtually no historical narrative in the Hindu scriptures.)

Birth, life, teachings, death, meaning and purpose?

You have only unorthodox and empty conjecture, and Krishna might have thought he was a god, but I doubt it, as originally Hindusim was monotheistic.

First Judaism and then Chistianity is against paganism, polytheism or Pantheism. The Law(s) of Karma, reincarnation and the Caste system is a curse, and the later being racist.

What is truth?

All Hindus believe in two fundamental, uncompromising doctrines—The Law of Karma, and the belief in reincarnation. These will not be surrendered.

And as they should not be. Karma and reincarnation are also taught in the Bible. The law of karma is the law of reaping what one sows and the law of reincarnation is implicit in Jesus teachings and elsewhere. It is only the evolution of man's interpretation that has removed them from Biblical understanding.

Revelation 3:12

He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more(get to stay Home and not go out in this world any more!). I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name.

I could list more examples, but I anticipate that you would just go searching through other peoples teachings to find something to discount anything that is presented here as evidence. And really what I say or you say is not proof one way or the other.

Proof is found with expereincial knowing...going within with a pure heart, earnestly seeking your Creator as a young child yearns for his mother, then you will See and Know.


vivian

[Vivian]

God? Who is the Hindu God? A pagan god?

All gods worshipped by religions are false/pagan gods. Although rooted in Truth and Real understanding, the present day dogma is a distortion, a creation of man. There is a Real Jesus and there is a Real Christ, but not the ones worshipped at Christian churches.

All that is of man is pagan and false.

THE JESUS AEON


Every human being possesses an individual magnetic radiation field (aura), which is populated by that person’s thoughts and desires, colored by the quality and nature of the thought and desire that fills it, and this personal field, being magnetic, both attracts and repels certain powers and forces from the surrounding planetary aura. This is the nature of the human microcosm: man is an electromagnetic being.

When a person reacts upon an impulse or idea, the result of such a reaction - be it a thought, a wish, a fear, an expression of jealousy or ire, etc. - lingers in the creator's immediate atmosphere and possesses a potency and longevity that is directly proportional to the measure or intensity of the reaction. If this reaction is repeated, the force radiated by it is strengthened, ad infinitum.

Collectively, mankind constitutes a much larger thinking-desiring organism, and the sum total of the thoughts and desires in the auras of all the people that together make up mankind, interpenetrate and form what might be termed a 'radiation cloud' around the planet. This cloud is replete with the results of all human thinking, feeling and desiring, not only from causes created in the present but also from the past, for thought and astral energy creates certain elemental forms that can and do survive their creator in the flesh. There is, then, clearly an interaction between human microcosms and the planetary atmosphere; the human microcosms contribute toward the quality of subtle substance of the planetary aura in the form of mental, astral and etheric matter. In the beginning phase of man's microcosmic descent, or 'Fall from Grace' (the Garden of Eden days) the psychic atmosphere of this world was still virginal, void of these human emanations. However, with the passage of time they came into manifestation and are forever being strengthened by mankind's incessant ignorant and selfish activity.

Now what happens when many hundreds, sometimes many thousands, or even, over time, billions of people continuously project similar selfish or fear-based thoughts and desires (which include religious desires for personal salvation, personal empowerment, personal happiness, etc.)? Just think of the selfish prayers repeated endlessly in the churches; the wild enthusiasm of the crowds at football games; the mass outbursts of passion during blood-stirring political demonstrations or evangelistic speeches; the daily repeated negative suggestions in the media that are supposedly formulated in order to enlighten the masses and the millions of people who are all tuned in to the same violent TV programs simultaneously!

Like attracts like, and the corresponding vibrations thus launched into the atmosphere coalesce to form one great cloud of unwholesome energy. It is an elementary esoteric fact that when, over time, many people fix their minds upon one idea, a mighty astral image of that idea develops. The astral world possesses specific possibilities of reflection. So when the minds of many of us are continually fixed upon one and the same idea, then we shall discover that at a given moment a huge astral image has been generated, which is becoming clear and well-defined, and with which we are connected and in communication because we created it ourselves. It is thus that a collective spirit, a collective idea, a collective thought-form or a collective image is created and continuously fed by people of similar disposition and/or belief.

Over centuries such an image can and does become so fortified that it acquires consciousness and becomes an intelligent, self-directing being; a huge, living, feeding elemental being that has an agenda: namely to perpetuate and fortify its own existence and nature. This it proceeds to do by inciting mankind, via mental and astral impression, to continue producing ethers of a like quality on which it can feed, on which it can grow. At first it is an image 'with dead eyes', but the moment comes when this image gains life and begins to hunger for more of the peculiar type of energy that spawned it. This is when it starts actually dominating us, when certain powers radiate from it and when it is even capable of attracting all kinds of undivine forces and of pouring these down onto the people. This is the way in which pseudo-religious beings (false gods) come into being. Such gigantic elemental beings can be and are utilized by the 'archons': entities residing in the subtle worlds who, with selfish and malefic intent, control and manipulate the mass-consciousness of humanity on earth by way of the images that man himself created.

This fact is explained in the metaphysical literature of all times. These elemental beings are sometimes called 'aeons', and they group themselves into different aspects. If, for example, a person wishes for financial wealth and radiates this desire into the atmosphere by means of his auric field, then this radiation will unite with the corresponding radiations of all other people in the world who want to be wealthy. In this way, an increasingly powerful aeon of wealth develops in the atmosphere, and will then naturally endeavor to influence all humanity continually. There are many kinds of aeons, and the religious type is particularly large, powerful and inimical because it bestows upon its servants both psychic stimulation (which may lead to astral visions that are quite convincing to the uninitiated) as well as a sense of being a part of something larger and more important than the individual. There was an aeon behind the Roman Catholic Inquisition, the Crusades, the witch-burnings and all the other atrocities perpetrated by the Church in the name of Jesus!

And today the Jesus-aeon is still very much alive and active within the consciousness of all people who cling selfishly to the Jesus-image for their own 'safety' and personal salvation. It is wholly invested in maintaining itself and in augmenting its temporal power and influence in this world by inciting religious fundamentalists to attack or defend on behalf of the Jesus-idea, on behalf, therefore, of separation, ignorance and selfishness.

So should we be surprised when the fundamentalists cry 'heathen' or 'fear monger' when such facts are revealed in order to help them to understand and to free themselves of detrimental aeonic influence? Of course not, for the servant (or puppet) of the aeons means life-insurance for them, and so when the very foundation of the counterfeit life of the aeons is threatened by way of revealing the truth (together with the peculiar attitudes and belief systems it promotes within the consciousness of its human subordinates), fear will naturally arise, and most often it is projected directly onto the messenger who is only holding up a mirror by being simply true. This explains the great hatred (fear) of Jesus that led to his crucifixion, a hatred and fear that has not abated in this world today and which is galvanized far beyond its natural human range by the hidden forces of darkness, by the aeons and their controlling archons, of which the uninitiated man understands very little if anything at all and so is why he can be duped, even and often under religious pretences!

Essentially, any man who cleaves to Jesus for personal reasons will automatically be hooked up to the 2,000 year-old now powerful and hungry Jesus-aeon by way of his own quality of thought and desire, while the one who reveres Jesus for his life-demonstration in humble devotion to the universal PRINCIPLE that he exemplified will transcend the need to identify with the Jesus-personality altogether and evoke a response from the formless Divinity (Christ) Itself. And this is the beginning of the path that leads to Deliverance...

[Richbee]

What comes to mind immediately, richbee, is that you speak of things you know nothing about. Everything of this world is of the god of this world. Every religion, every thought we have, everything that we do - all, except going within as a child and finding the Kingdom that is not of this world, is part of Lucifer's kingdom.

Once you do that richbee, once you make that connection with God the Father, then and only then will you be able to see that your words here are spoken in foolishness.

Lucifer is the god of this world. Everything made here, including man's religions, worships him.

Some day all will See and Know.



vivian

False again!

We are CREATED in God's likeness. Check your source again!

[Richbee]

All gods worshipped by religions are false/pagan gods. Although rooted in Truth and Real understanding, the present day dogma is a distortion, a creation of man. There is a Real Jesus and there is a Real Christ, but not the ones worshipped at Christian churches.

Really? By what standard do you judge?

What is your source?

Dogma? Dogma = principals, or doctrine

What doctrine have you adopted? Oh, I see know, your DOGMA is barking!!!

All that is of man is pagan and false.

Christians don't worship the creature, we worship the CREATOR.

THE JESUS AEON

Please tell us your source here!

Every human being possesses an individual magnetic radiation field (aura), which is populated by that person’s thoughts and desires, colored by the quality and nature of the thought and desire that fills it, and this personal field, being magnetic, both attracts and repels certain powers and forces from the surrounding planetary aura. This is the nature of the human microcosm: man is an electromagnetic being.

Look out, here it comes........



Are you into Theosophy? Are you in a Neo-gnostic cult?

Are you into a "New Age" Jesus? Christ consciousness?

[Richbee]

Karma and reincarnation are also taught in the Bible. - vivian

Where have you been? I started a thread on this topic!!!

Reincarnation

Throughout human history people have wondered about life after death. Is death the end of existence, an entry into eternity, or an intermission between earthly lives? These questions have intrigued and haunted mortals for the millennia.

Some Eastern religions such as Hinduism teach that the soul reincarnates in many different bodies. Because of the influence of the New Age movement, approximately twenty five percent of Americans now believe in reincarnation. Celebrities such as actress Shirley MacLaine and country singer Willie Nelson believe they have lived before and will live again.

In Eastern religions, reincarnation is connected with the law of karma; it teaches that good deeds from past lives produce rewards in the next life or lives. Bad deeds produce punishments in the next life or lives. The law of karma is understood as an unbending and impersonal rule of the universe. We all get what we deserve. This consoles some who agonize over the apparent injustices in the world. And by working off one’s bad karma over many lifetimes, a person can finally escape the process of rebirth and attain enlightenment.

Can reincarnation realistically offer hope and a sense of justice to a troubled world? Can it answer the nagging problem of death and what lies beyond?

We should take a second look at reincarnation. Even reincarnationists admit that the vast majority of humans do not remember their previous lives.

How can we learn from our past mistakes if we cannot remember them?

In cultures such as India, the law of karma has justified not helping the suffering because it is thought that they are working off their bad karma. The lowest social class (caste) in India, the Untouchables, have been traditionally viewed as deserving their fate because of actions in previous lives. To help an Untouchable would be like releasing a guilty felon from prison.

According to reincarnation, the innocent do not suffer. All suffering is deserved on the basis of bad karma. The baby born without legs deserved it, as did the woman who was raped. There is no injustice—and no forgiveness. None are innocent, and there is no grace available—only the demands of karma.

Karma or Gospel?

Jesus spoke of people receiving either eternal reward or eternal punishment according to how they responded to him during their one lifetime on earth (Matthew 25:31-46; see also Hebrews 9:27). He also declared that he would raise the dead at the end of history; those who believed in him would experience life, those who rejected him would be condemned (John 5:24-29).

Discuss these two contrasting views and stop and think about an important question. Can we put these ideas about life after death to the Test? In our lifetimes?

[Vivian]

False again!

We are CREATED in God's likeness. Check your source again!

The story of creation in Genesis 1 is of the spritiual creation of the universe, including the spiritual Adam (Man) which was both male and female. When all was said and done, it was good and all was good for food.

The story of creation in Genesis 2 is of the physical manifestation of the spiritual creation in chapter 1. When all was said and done, it was not all good. The Garden was created and there was a tree placed in the center that was not good for food. The female part of man was removed so that there were now two physical manifestation of him - male and female. And in the Garden was the a serpent that tempted Eve resulting in our falling further into physical manifestation. Falling is spiritual death, being cut off from awareness of the Kingdom. At least before we had the Garden where we could commune with God, but we fell from that and became veiled from the awareness of God.

Remember the veil in the temple that separated the holy place from the most holy place?

What exists in this world, though was not created in the image of God and declared good! It is all a result of our fall and is not good.

There is within each us though, part of the original spiritual creation of man that was made in the image of God. Just as all that we see with our mundane senses in this world also contains within it a part of the original spiritual creation.

But it is not what is perceived with our mundane senses. All that we perceive with our physical eyes will pass away. It was not made in the likeness of God, with is eternal.

So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.



vivian

[Vivian]

Really? By what standard do you judge?

What is your source?

Dogma? Dogma = principals, or doctrine

What doctrine have you adopted? Oh, I see know, your DOGMA is barking!!!





Christians don't worship the creature, we worship the CREATOR.







Please tell us your source here!



Look out, here it comes........



Are you into Theosophy? Are you in a Neo-gnostic cult?

Are you into a "New Age" Jesus? Christ consciousness?

So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.

What has been created will all pass away...including our physical bodies.

The Truth exists within each of us. Seek and ye shall find, knock and the door shall be opened unto you.



vivian