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    State of the Union - Climate change?

    From the State of the Union address last night

    The shift to a cleaner energy economy won’t happen overnight, and it will require tough choices along the way. But the debate is settled. Climate change is a fact. And when our children’s children look us in the eye and ask if we did all we could to leave them a safer, more stable world, with new sources of energy, I want us to be able to say yes, we did.”
    So is the President correct? The debate is settled? Meaning the science is settled. Climate change (man made climate change in context) is a fact?
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    Climate always changes. Doesn't mean "man-made"

    "Climate Change" is just the new buzzword after "Global Warming" turned out to be a farce. It's a way to control energy sources, in my opinion. Scare tactics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Climate always changes. Doesn't mean "man-made"

    "Climate Change" is just the new buzzword after "Global Warming" turned out to be a farce. It's a way to control energy sources, in my opinion. Scare tactics.
    Just like before that they were predicting another ice age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    So is the President correct? The debate is settled? Meaning the science is settled. Climate change (man made climate change in context) is a fact?
    Two big questions have by now been answered.

    Is global warming to be expected given the increase in greenhouse gases caused by humanity? The answer is yes.

    Can factors other than the greenhouse effect account for the current warming trend? The answer is no.

    That is settled insofar that it is always possible, in any science, that some future discovery will turn everything upside down, although by now the knowledge about climate is so robust that such an observation is extremely difficult.

    I think the exact calculated effects of climate change have such margins of error that it is difficult for policy makers to come to terms with it. Note that I don't consider myself an alarmist: climate change is a challenge I think we can and will meet. But it would be helpful if we could leave the 'there is no warming' gobbledigook behind us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Climate always changes. Doesn't mean "man-made"

    "Climate Change" is just the new buzzword after "Global Warming" turned out to be a farce. It's a way to control energy sources, in my opinion. Scare tactics.
    You know I wondered why they changed it from "Global Warming" to "Climate Change." Did they change the term to better deceive us? Or was it done for other reasons?
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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    So is the President correct? The debate is settled?
    From what I could tell, it was the ONLY thing he said with force or conviction, so it HAS to be true! (And he didn't say, "Period!" after it)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Climate always changes. Doesn't mean "man-made"

    "Climate Change" is just the new buzzword after "Global Warming" turned out to be a farce. It's a way to control energy sources, in my opinion. Scare tactics.
    But the even NEWER buzzword is "Polar Vortex"..... like we never ever had snow storms before!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathandavid View Post
    Is global warming to be expected given the increase in greenhouse gases caused by humanity? The answer is yes.
    But the question would be how much influence do we really have?

    Can factors other than the greenhouse effect account for the current warming trend? The answer is no.
    So you/we know ALL the causes of warming trends in the past? Times when human population was small or non-existent? I mean where I live was once covered with glaciers - they are long gone. What exactly melted them?
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    When it is unusually hot, it is called "Global Warmiing" and when it is unusually cold, it is "Climate change" - they get you coming and going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    You know I wondered why they changed it from "Global Warming" to "Climate Change." Did they change the term to better deceive us? Or was it done for other reasons?
    It was done for clarity. "Climate change" is a more precise descriptive term. The fact that the overall average temperature of the world is rising due to human introduced GHGs was often easy to ignore given the sometimes localized extreme climate changes (i.e. colder winters in some parts of the northern hemisphere).

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