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“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
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Originally posted by firstfloor View Post"Many people confuse or equate the terms, but there is a definite difference between the two.
An atheist, on the one hand, believes that there is no God. Etymologically, the word means "not, or no God." In the atheist camp you can have a wide variety of reasons for their denial as well as differing levels of certainty. Some will deny emphatically that there is a God and claim to have "proof" of God's non-existence. Other's will simply say they do not believe there is a God though they could not prove God does not exist. The common denominator is that they do not believe in God.
Agnosticism is not a belief system as atheism is; rather, it is a theory of knowledge. Etymologically, it means, "not, or no knowledge." An agnostic is someone who believes human beings simply cannot know anything metaphysical or beyond the physical realm; therefore, they cannot know whether things like spirit, angels or God exist at all.
Contrary to popular belief all agnostics are not atheists. There are theistic agnostics--fideists, for example--who believe in God but do not believe that their understanding of God is knowable by natural means."
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostYes it is .... disbelieves."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostNope, you are an agnostic - and it's a good description of agnosticism, but a crappy one of atheism.
Atheists are in the extreme minority world round and throughout all of history. To pretend that they're simply taking a default position on the topic of God or the divine or what have you is ridiculous. They can pretend all they want, but they don't lack belief, and they don't disbelieve. They have a belief, and that belief is that god/s do not exist.
William Craig correctly points out,
Even some agnostics see how silly this shift in terminology is,
But as I mentioned elsewhere, words are defined by how they're used. If atheists want to redefine what they mean by "atheist", they're first going to have to convince the majority of the rest of the English population. If that's ever accomplished then it seems sensible to me that we drop the word "Agnostic" from our vocabulary, and replace what used to be "atheism" with some new word that describes those people who acknowledge that they hold a belief that there is no god/s.
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They offered this test at the last office I worked at. I was curious and asked the proctor person if the test had any gender bias. I was told that there was no gender bias because when the test was originally designed, all questions or wordings which showed a gender bias were eliminated. In other words, the MB was designed and calibrated and market tested by adjusting the questions and wordings until each question showed a 50/50 gender split.
My guess is that the test can show bias toward any group that was not specifically calibrated out of the question pool, in this case atheist/theist.Last edited by AlphaBravo; 12-18-2014, 03:00 PM.
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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostMicah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostCorrect. You lost me at XX.
“Fundy atheist” is a JP Holding fantasy term that he uses because he wrongly thinks that there is something opposite fundamental Christianity. There isn’t. Fundamentalism is a religious phenomenon that means that some people believe that they have discovered the “Truth”. There is no equivalent “Truth” for an atheist.
“Christian” is a label that gives the wearer certain privileges. It, more so than many others, offers privileges in return for conformity or obedience. The staff here for example, have to agree to a set of prescribed beliefs. But I am all for Christians being as independently minded as possible."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostThe revolution in thinking in the modern era has been that these darned priests don’t have a clue what they are talking about; as we can see because now we have the Bible in a language that we can read.
We want to turn base metal into gold and we have seen an endless progression of new questions ever since.
The questions are always more fascinating than the answers; like the point of the famous answer to the ultimate question of life the universe and everything being 42.
The deadly trap that all religions fall prey to is certainty. But the real killer is that you have to be certain too."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post.... talking about topics you don't understand or know well ....... blurting out whatever enters your head first. .... More of you making up things as you go along?
By the way. these 16 personality types are quite coarse approximations. I was wondering where the psychopaths fit. I suppose they are ENTJ – The Executive type.Last edited by firstfloor; 12-19-2014, 03:16 AM.“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View Postff is usually off topic. All he knows about is how bad religion is and Christianity in particular. All of us Christians are stupid. Isn't there a saying about a "one note . . .?" That is pretty much ff.
If I don’t like your ideas it does not mean that I don’t like you as such. Commonly ‘truth’ has an expiry date attached to it and everyone is working away at finding what ‘truths’ have expired today. There are some religious ideas that are hard to shift and the religions need outside help – like me.
Recent example of how external pressure for change works on sluggish religious institutions – C of E just appointed first woman Bishop.“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostI would prefer to stay fresh, read the news (always superficial) do a little research and have a new idea every new day.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostIf I don’t like your ideas it does not mean that I don’t like you as such. Commonly ‘truth’ has an expiry date attached to it and everyone is working away at finding what ‘truths’ have expired today. There are some religious ideas that are hard to shift and the religions need outside help – like me.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostNot stupid. Wrong about a few things, perhaps, but that’s just my opinion.
If I don’t like your ideas it does not mean that I don’t like you as such. Commonly ‘truth’ has an expiry date attached to it and everyone is working away at finding what ‘truths’ have expired today. There are some religious ideas that are hard to shift and the religions need outside help – like me.
Recent example of how external pressure for change works on sluggish religious institutions – C of E just appointed first woman Bishop.
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Originally posted by pancreasman View PostIf you re-read this post with objectivity, you will see you are guilty of exactly the same 'sins' with which you accuse Christians. You seem to hold a superior view of your own opinions which marks itself as the same kind of arrogant certainty you attack. I'm not a Christian, but a few of your posts bother me, bro.“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostOf course. I never know what the next thought is in detail. I have a plan of sorts about where I want to go with an argument but quite often I arrive at an unexpected place. Is this not what everybody does? I don’t think you can really know what you think in advance of thinking it. A lot of so called argument is simply lazy repetition of old opinions – it is what the politicians do day after day. You might as well have a tape recorder in your head. I would prefer to stay fresh, read the news (always superficial) do a little research and have a new idea every new day. I am not averse to contradicting myself.
By the way. these 16 personality types are quite coarse approximations. I was wondering where the psychopaths fit. I suppose they are ENTJ – The Executive type."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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