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  • #16
    Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
    I'm curious what he had to say about it, because I didn't know him on TWeb (wasn't on at that time), but I know him apart from this site and he's somebody I very highly respect.
    It was a long time ago (and, I believe, in more than one thread). Basically he was pointing out what has been pointed out many times before about the use of insult rhetoric. Holding and a couple other Tekton regulars got into it with him. Called him a whiner or baby or something like that. I don't remember the details cept that it was pretty nasty. I think he was going by the handle Theonomy at the time.

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    • #17
      Sometimes the mere words we pick, even when well meaning can hurt. It is my understanding, the mere words can at times only communicate as little as 3% of what is meant by them.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Pentecost View Post
        The usual definition of "pleasant; or agreeable" suits well, or a sort of polite kindness was how I was meaning it, but it works just as well if we just used it as a synonym for "kindness" instead. As KG pointed out Jesus was not always nice and as I said Christianity does not mean necessarily being good. Love, patience, kindness, goodness, are all things that can be perceived as nice. But love requires the truth, patience must have a reason, good once again as I said does not equal nice. Kind... Kind of does mean nice.
        Especially in this overtly sentimental age, niceness often carries the connotation of being pleasing; ie it is not defined in terms of what the actor does like kindeness but in what the recipient feels.

        Are we even over emphasizing it?
        Obviously.

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        • #19
          When the debate side of the site gets to be too much, I recommend spending time in the fellowship areas, like the lobby, amphitheater, rec room, poop deck, the rolling pin, etc. I spend most of my time there getting to know people and make friends. Everyone is welcome and they are for entertainment and goofing around rather than debate and fighting. Once you make friends with someone, it is much harder to be uncivil to them in the debate areas.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Pentecost View Post
            Now, I know good=/=nice and nice=/=Christian but not naming names there is a startling large segment of Christians on this site (I've rarely met Christians in real life I have this issue with) who apparently don't give the benefit of the doubt to someone or I'll agree with someone's sentiment, but the words they use make me question where the love is. Still not naming names but do others agree to this general sentiment? Or am I a proverbial wuss? :P

            I wouldn't think it's because we're a theology site, but if it because of that is it because it is a subject that attracts more arrogant people?

            Again, I really am not asking for names that would be very inappropriate; the question basically boils down to is "niceness" a component of love? Are we under doing it? Are we even over emphasizing it?
            You'd be surprised how different a person will act in person than on their internet handle. Almost every forum, comment section, chatroom displays the same behavior. I think it's more just par for course of the anonymous internet culture and how they interact with each other online.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Adrift View Post
              It was a long time ago (and, I believe, in more than one thread). Basically he was pointing out what has been pointed out many times before about the use of insult rhetoric. Holding and a couple other Tekton regulars got into it with him. Called him a whiner or baby or something like that. I don't remember the details cept that it was pretty nasty. I think he was going by the handle Theonomy at the time.
              Huh. I don't recall that. I recall others complaining about it (and I sometimes think it goes too far), but not Glenn.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                Huh. I don't recall that. I recall others complaining about it (and I sometimes think it goes too far), but not Glenn.
                Yeah, googling it, I think it was in a thread called Explain Why This is Offensive in the Tektonics section. I remember being a bit surprised when I ran across it too, because outside of those early threads, Glenn didn't really bring up the topic very much. Of course, he wasn't the only one who brought up the topic, as you probably know.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                  When the debate side of the site gets to be too much, I recommend spending time in the fellowship areas, like the lobby, amphitheater, rec room, poop deck, the rolling pin, etc. I spend most of my time there getting to know people and make friends. Everyone is welcome and they are for entertainment and goofing around rather than debate and fighting. Once you make friends with someone, it is much harder to be uncivil to them in the debate areas.
                  Says YOU, ya big dumb poppiehead.
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                    Says YOU, ya big dumb poppiehead.
                    Which is actually at least some of the level of 'debating' we get around here. I could stand put downs in the style of Oscar Wilde or Groucho Marx, but 'harsh medicine' that is only childish malice is no debate tactic, it's an illustration of character.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by pancreasman View Post
                      Which is actually at least some of the level of 'debating' we get around here. I could stand put downs in the style of Oscar Wilde or Groucho Marx, but 'harsh medicine' that is only childish malice is no debate tactic, it's an illustration of character.
                      Exactly -- and I DO hope that others realize I was just playing -- mocking that meme -- cause Sparko is one of my best buddies --- I HAVE to love Rogue, cause he's my brother and Mom insisted before she passed that I do that, and I reasonably tolerate you, Pman, cause I like the Australian accent.
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                        Exactly -- and I DO hope that others realize I was just playing -- mocking that meme -- cause Sparko is one of my best buddies --- I HAVE to love Rogue, cause he's my brother and Mom insisted before she passed that I do that, and I reasonably tolerate you, Pman, cause I like the Australian accent.
                        LOL, stop worrying about me, I know a joke when I see one. I'm not completely insane, only a liberal. (Insert punchline here).

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Pentecost View Post
                          Now, I know good=/=nice and nice=/=Christian but not naming names there is a startling large segment of Christians on this site (I've rarely met Christians in real life I have this issue with) who apparently don't give the benefit of the doubt to someone or I'll agree with someone's sentiment, but the words they use make me question where the love is. Still not naming names but do others agree to this general sentiment? Or am I a proverbial wuss? :P
                          You are not a wuss. There people on this site who do not give the benefit of the doubt to a post.

                          Originally posted by Pentecost View Post
                          I wouldn't think it's because we're a theology site, but if it because of that is it because it is a subject that attracts more arrogant people?
                          Not necessarily. I think some people want to win arguments more than build one another up.

                          Originally posted by Pentecost View Post
                          Again, I really am not asking for names that would be very inappropriate; the question basically boils down to is "niceness" a component of love? Are we under doing it? Are we even over emphasizing it?
                          I'm not sure its a component of love. I think some peoples' actions are more indicative of a lack of respect for others.
                          "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by pancreasman View Post
                            LOL, stop worrying about me, I know a joke when I see one.
                            Wasn't worried about you --- you obviously got it... I said "others". YOU, sir, are not others!

                            I'm not completely insane, only a liberal. (Insert punchline here).
                            Should we start a thread on that first part?
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • #29
                              He is so "others." Why are you excluding him? That is non nice.
                              Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
                                He is so "others." Why are you excluding him? That is non nice.
                                But he's the OTHER others.
                                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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