Thread: Age of the Earth II
February 19th 2005, 08:14 PM #1
Age of the Earth II
What I seek in attempting to resolve the matter of the age of the earth is security in faith, or as much so as is possible. Security is for me only possible if the Bible is factual. If it is factual, then I can have security in faith, and security in interacting with others when speaking about the Bible: a measure of security is especially important when speaking with intelligent, scientifically oriented persons who, given the impressive achievements of science, have the right to examine - to take a hard, cold look, and examine or question - anything, including anything and everything in the Bible.
The reason resolving this matter of the age of the earth is so difficult is that I suspect that Matthew and Luke, in giving genealogies concerning Jesus in their respective Gospels with the intent of establishing the credibility of Jesus, intended the genealogies to be a literal string of persons going straight back from Jesus to Adam: what greater proof could there be , Matthew and Luke perhaps thought, for skeptics at that time, of the claim that Jesus was the long awaited Messiah?
If Matthew and Luke intended a literal tie back to Adam, then the credibility of both the genealogies in Matthew and Luke and of the account of creation in the book of Genesis, becomes very important.
All I am doing here is weighing two bodies of evidence concerning the age of the earth. (I am not otherwise concerned with "quibbling about genealogies," as Paul warns against.) One body of evidence - that presented by evolutionary scientists - is, I think, after doing some research on the matter of evolution, refutable. The other body of evidence - that presented by the Bible, and especially both the alleged tie from Jesus to Adam, and the account of creation in Genesis - seems more likely, yet has me concerned because, again, I suspect the tie from Jesus to Adam was intended to be literal for the purpose of establishing the credibility of Jesus as the Messiah, and a literal tie would conflict with evidence of scientific methods for dating the earth.
Readers may be interested, though, in viewing www.icr.org, the Website for The Institute for Creation Research, which, if you contact them and request it, will forward literature that provides evidence for a young earth.
February 23rd 2005, 04:08 PM #2
Re: Age of the Earth II
So, ummm, how old is the earth?“Look around you, Gabrielle. Lush prairie. And those bushes with orange berries? See them, on those dunes? Sea Buckthorn. It grows wild here, and the oil works wonders on horses.”
February 23rd 2005, 04:17 PM #3
Re: Age of the Earth IISo, ummm, how old is the earth?
February 24th 2005, 07:53 PM #4
Re: Age of the Earth IIOriginally posted by jdrbts
As far as the geneologies go, the Christian who believes the earth is old but that the Genesis account is literal would say that because the Hebrews often counted grandfathers as a father and grandsons as a son, there may be gaps in the geneologies. Often the most prominent figures were chosen in the geneologies. With the gaps, you can push back humanity somewhere in the range of 60,000 years ago or so. This has no bearing on the age of the earth, only of modern humanity. So, you could have an old earth but a young humanity.
As for me, I am not sure how to take the accounts yet. There seems to be so much symbolism, as if it were intended to convey the message of what the symbols represent.For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.
February 25th 2005, 05:47 PM #5
Re: Age of the Earth II
There is symbolism in the OT. A lot.“Look around you, Gabrielle. Lush prairie. And those bushes with orange berries? See them, on those dunes? Sea Buckthorn. It grows wild here, and the oil works wonders on horses.”
February 25th 2005, 06:06 PM #6
Re: Age of the Earth II
Yes, it was my understanding that the word "begat" does not necessarily imply the very next generation."Dictatorship naturally arises out of democracy, and the most aggravated form of tyranny and slavery out of the most extreme liberty." Plato
"Knowledge without justice ought to be called cunning rather than wisdom." Plato
"All men are by nature equal, made all of the same earth by one Workman; and however we deceive ourselves, as dear unto God is the poor peasant as the mighty prince." Plato
February 25th 2005, 06:48 PM #7
Re: Age of the Earth IIOriginally posted by LutheranSage
It impacted our faith?! This needs to stop, we need to start putting our faith where it belongs, and we need to start now. While there is nothing wrong with dating a chunk of granite, or digging up some dusty old relics buried in a cave, we are in for a serious spiritual beating when we begin trusting the "security of our faith" to them.
We are facing an enormous and dramatic clash between good and evil, death and life, the 'culture of death' and the 'culture of life'. We find ourselves not only 'faced with' but necessarily 'in the midst of' this conflict: we are all involved and we all share in it, with the inescapable responsibility of choosing to be unconditionally pro-life. --John Paul II
This day I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live --Deuteronomy 30:19
Go on... I dare ya. -- Xavier
February 27th 2005, 08:09 PM #8
Re: Age of the Earth IIOriginally posted by Mark_S
Good point, (and good use of quotations...)
~CharleenFor in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.
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