>>Play Toyah sound clip: It's a mystery...

[Solly]

... it's a mystery
I'm still searching for a clue
It's a mystery to me
a shot in the dark
The big question mark in history
Is it a mystery to you? (fade out)

Ok, here's a question for our Dispensationalist friends.

The church is a parenthesis in God's prophetic plan, brought in because of the sudden and unexpected rejection of the Kngdom offer by the Jews.

Yet the Gospel upon which the Church is built is a mystery revealed, since the church was apparently never prophesied.

So, if the Jews hadn't rejected the Kingdom (which all but Calvinistic dispies must accept as a possibility), then when would the mystery have been revealed?

[doogieduff]

Today @ 03:19 AM post located here
Solly:

... it's a mystery
I'm still searching for a clue
It's a mystery to me
a shot in the dark
The big question mark in history
Is it a mystery to you? (fade out)

Ok, here's a question for our Dispensationalist friends.

The church is a parenthesis in God's prophetic plan, brought in because of the sudden and unexpected rejection of the Kngdom offer by the Jews.

Yet the Gospel upon which the Church is built is a mystery revealed, since the church was apparently never prophesied.

So, if the Jews hadn't rejected the Kingdom (which all but Calvinistic dispies must accept as a possibility), then when would the mystery have been revealed?

It wouldn't.

[Solly]

Today @ 04:05 PM post located here
doogieduff:



It wouldn't.

Succinct, and just what I thought you would say. So what is the point of the mystery that is kept secret since the world began if it remains a mystery?

[yxboom]

Today @ 08:08 AM post located here
Solly:



Succinct, and just what I thought you would say. So what is the point of the mystery that is kept secret since the world began if it remains a mystery?

That would be on par to asking what if the world repent and God didn't bring about the flood, what then? We don't know...why cause it didn't happen that way. Does it really matter, no. It is now hypothetical and not reality.

[doogieduff]

Today @ 09:14 AM post located here
yxboom:



That would be on par to asking what if the world repent and God didn't bring about the flood, what then? We don't know...why cause it didn't happen that way. Does it really matter, no. It is now hypothetical and not reality.

Exactly.

[Solly]

Today @ 04:14 PM post located here
yxboom:
That would be on par to asking what if the world repent and God didn't bring about the flood, what then? We don't know...why cause it didn't happen that way. Does it really matter, no. It is now hypothetical and not reality.

The fact of the flood, and the likelihood of the whole world repenting are pretty basic and in line with the rest of scripture: repent, and I won't punish you; whether the world did or not is within the kind of limits any Arminian or OVT could take in their stride, and also in line with God's character and revelation.

The fact of a mystery that has been revealed, but which might not have been revealed is of a different order. The idea of the church as a parenthesis not previously witnessed to in the OT is one thing, and I will concede that for the present moment; but to say it is a mystery kept secret since the world began points to the fact that the church and all it stands for was in the mind, counsel, and intent of God, and that to bring it to pass:

Scripture Verse:

KJV: Rom 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
Rom 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
Rom 16:27 To God only wise, [be] glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen

Scripture Verse:

LITV: Rom 16:25 Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel, and the proclaiming of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery having been kept unvoiced during eternal times,
Rom 16:26 but now has been made plain, and by prophetic Scriptures, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known for obedience of faith to all the nations;
Rom 16:27 to the only wise God through Jesus Christ, to whom be the glory forever. Amen.

This speaks of something predicted, and promulgated by God, which he had already thought out and had even borne witness to in the scriptures (which ends my concession about the parenthetical nature of the church mentioned above).

/ot hah, have a covenantal christian a mod in dispie, hmm!!