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Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View PostIt's certainly not much, and certainly not much more than any other monotheistic faiths.
Considering the history of Mohammed and Islam, this is only so because Mohammed wanted to start with some credibility, so he took what he remembered from Judaism and Christianity that fit his needs. Often confusing the accounts. Like when he gets parts from the Exodus and parts from Esther confused, or Gideon and Samuel.
You are going by the least common denominators here.
I'm not defending Islam here. In case that wasn't clear. All I'm saying is that we don't have to go to war with them, or give up all hope on them. We have a mission to help lead them to Christ, and if that means we can find any commonalty we should use that to our advantage.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostIsn't that always the case? Between the Westboro Baptists, Catholic priest pedophiles, and other loonies that fill the papers, we rarely hear anything positive, or even neutral about the general Christian population.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Scrawly View Post1) "I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins.” (John 8:24). Now, if I were to present this verse to any Muslim alive today, they would reject it. Jesus tells these people, therefore, that they shall die in their sins. Unless Muslims believe that Jesus is God, they will die in their sins. This much can be established and it is not a matter of having incomplete knowledge, but rather inconsistent knowledge with the gospel.
2) In regards to people having incomplete knowledge and slightly differing views, as we all do, well, I am confident that God is able to bring His elect to the faith. Whether this is via a vision or in a dream, or perhaps by brining a missionary across the path of a chosen one, I am, once again, confident God shall gather His elect into the faith that was once for all entrusted to the Saints. So, it is not so much about having perfectly harmonious doctrine, but rather about being born-again by the sovereign working of the Holy Spirit in the lives of the elect - who will not deny the core doctrines of the faith, which includes the deity of Christ.
3) The third issue raised is how the Jews were saved before the incarnation:
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"... to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world." Revelation 13:8 (see also John 6:39, Hebrews 13:20). As this verse indicates, there is a clear element of timelessness in Christ's death, Therefore, the forgiveness purchased by Christ for His people at his death was already efficacious to the saints which existed prior to his coming. in the New Testament Paul indicates that Abraham had the gospel preached to him: "The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "[Gen 12:3] ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED IN YOU." Galatians 3:8
Although much of the gospel perhaps remained a mystery to the Jews, they saw it from afar (Heb 11) and evidently received enough for the Holy Spirit to apply toward their regeneration, apart from works of the Law. Even Jesus in the Gospel of John says "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad." (John 8:56).
Apparently the Spiritual Jews of the first century deeply understood the implications and necessity of a Messiah for when Jesus is presented in the temple there was a man called Simeon, who was righteous and devout. He was waiting for the consolation of Israel so that when he saw Jesus he took him in his arms and praised God, saying: "Sovereign Lord, as you have promised, you now dismiss your servant in peace. For my eyes have seen your salvation, which you have prepared in the sight of all people, a light for revelation to the Gentiles and for glory to your people Israel."(Luke 2:29-32)
The progressive unfolding nature of the covenants with Noah, Abraham, Moses, and David laid the covenantal groundwork for the culmination of God's redemptive work in His new covenant in Christ. The nation of Israel shares a primary role in God's self-revelation in redemptive history. It is the revelation unfolding through the Old Testament that provides the crucial framework for understanding God's complete self-revelation through Jesus Christ.
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Source: http://www.monergism.com/thethreshol.../otsaints.html
I encourage you to read the above article in its entirety. I'm sure it will provide further illumination.Learn to do right; seek justice. Defend the oppressed. Take up the cause of the fatherless; plead the case of the widow.--Isaiah 1:17
I don't think that all forms o[f] slavery are inherently immoral.--seer
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostSo if I ask a Muslim if Allah is immanent, unchanging, simple, immaterial, and jealous for us, they'll say no?
Well sure. I'm not saying the Islamic account is factually accurate. I am a Christian after all. I'm simply suggesting common ground for the evangelist.
Exactly!
I'm not defending Islam here. In case that wasn't clear. All I'm saying is that we don't have to go to war with them, or give up all hope on them. We have a mission to help lead them to Christ, and if that means we can find any commonalty we should use that to our advantage.
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The name Allah predates Mohammad. And is from the Arabic, a contraction for the "article" and the Arabic word for "God." Meaning the One God. The English equivalent, I think, of "Th'God." which we do not use. The name Allah is older than the English word "God." It is my understanding Bibles in Arabic use Allah for God.Last edited by 37818; 01-04-2015, 05:27 PM.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostThe name Allah predates Mohammad. And is from the Arabic, a contraction for the "article" and the Arabic word for "God." Meaning the One God. The English equivalent, I think, of "Th'God." which we do not use. The name Allah is older than the English word "God." It is my understanding Bibles in Arabic use Allah for God.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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