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      I hope that it is a long time before I win a debate like that again. I am still hot glue gunnign my ego back together.
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      Re: Learning To Think Spiritually

      These debates about purpose and the meaning of life are inevitably circular because they completely depend on adopting a particular world view. If you believe in a Creator, then of course the purpose and meaning of life is the Creator's purpose and meaning. If you don't believe in a Creator then there is a sense in which life (speaking generally) has no purpose, or at least no intentionality, but it does have a history and a continuity which is worth understanding. Life in particular, my life for example, does have intentionality and direction and that is purpose (and responsibility) in a very real sense.

      You are making a judgment that a life created by and for the purpose of another (albeit higher) intelligence has more value. That's your judgment and if it gives you comfort then great, but you can't offer the comfort that comes from belief in a Creator as an argument for the existence of one.

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      Re: Learning To Think Spiritually

      :mummy:
      No matter what happens, someone will find a way to take it too seriously.

      **Tweb Corollary(suggested by Tfbandie) - No matter what happens, someone will find a way to take themselves too seriously**

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      Re: Learning To Think Spiritually

      Quote Originally posted by chimera View Post
      These debates about purpose and the meaning of life are inevitably circular because they completely depend on adopting a particular world view. If you believe in a Creator, then of course the purpose and meaning of life is the Creator's purpose and meaning. If you don't believe in a Creator then there is a sense in which life (speaking generally) has no purpose, or at least no intentionality, but it does have a history and a continuity which is worth understanding.

      Really? On what basis then?

      You are making a judgment that a life created by and for the purpose of another (albeit higher) intelligence has more value. That's your judgment and if it gives you comfort then great, but you can't offer the comfort that comes from belief in a Creator as an argument for the existence of one.
      I don't believe that HG was ever trying to offer this logical conclusion as an argument for the existence of a creator. In fact, I believe she said as much...

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      Re: Learning To Think Spiritually

      whatever happened to HG's website? I loved that site, and wish it would come back online. Thankfully at least this article from the site has been persevered here on t-web, except for the images.
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      Re: Learning To Think Spiritually

      Quote Originally posted by Teluog View Post
      whatever happened to HG's website? I loved that site, and wish it would come back online. Thankfully at least this article from the site has been persevered here on t-web, except for the images.


      Teluog, she told me that she is too busy with the demands of family life to maintain it. I'm sad too. Gin
      Remember you were once an enemy of God yourself (just like me, everyone else and even the dishonest trolls as well) and He chose to love you despite that fact. If He had given you what you deserved a "door slammed in your face" where would you be today? ~ Xmansmommy


      i mean, if a skeptic is factually wrong about something, just throw the factual facts at them and ask "how is it you never came across this info? did you ever actually read a reputable scholar on this topic?" instead of just calling someone an "idiot" ~ Teluog


      "Yes, if truth is not undergirded by love, it makes the possessor of that truth obnoxious and the truth repulsive." ~ Ravi Zacharias


      "There are no Bible verses that I know of that tell people they should insult their enemies. None. Quite the contrary, we are to bless those who curse us. The command is always to bless, there are no commands to curse or to insult, or to belittle." ~ Adrift

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      Quote Originally posted by justgin View Post
      Teluog, she told me that she is too busy with the demands of family life to maintain it. I'm sad too. Gin
      you....know her? i want her brain.

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      Quote Originally posted by princesa View Post
      you....know her? i want her brain.
      Is it so hard to believe that i actually KNOW some smart people?? Her phone number was listed somewhere on the internet. After seeing her website, i called her for help.

      Yeah, i want her brain too.
      Remember you were once an enemy of God yourself (just like me, everyone else and even the dishonest trolls as well) and He chose to love you despite that fact. If He had given you what you deserved a "door slammed in your face" where would you be today? ~ Xmansmommy


      i mean, if a skeptic is factually wrong about something, just throw the factual facts at them and ask "how is it you never came across this info? did you ever actually read a reputable scholar on this topic?" instead of just calling someone an "idiot" ~ Teluog


      "Yes, if truth is not undergirded by love, it makes the possessor of that truth obnoxious and the truth repulsive." ~ Ravi Zacharias


      "There are no Bible verses that I know of that tell people they should insult their enemies. None. Quite the contrary, we are to bless those who curse us. The command is always to bless, there are no commands to curse or to insult, or to belittle." ~ Adrift

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      Re: WFJs really should stay out of it ...

      Here's the link to the entire website:
      http://web.archive.org/web/200209220...x-atheist.com/

      This is for anyone who doubts or disbelieves but is earnestly seeking the truth. This won't help a scoffer one bit.
      Remember you were once an enemy of God yourself (just like me, everyone else and even the dishonest trolls as well) and He chose to love you despite that fact. If He had given you what you deserved a "door slammed in your face" where would you be today? ~ Xmansmommy


      i mean, if a skeptic is factually wrong about something, just throw the factual facts at them and ask "how is it you never came across this info? did you ever actually read a reputable scholar on this topic?" instead of just calling someone an "idiot" ~ Teluog


      "Yes, if truth is not undergirded by love, it makes the possessor of that truth obnoxious and the truth repulsive." ~ Ravi Zacharias


      "There are no Bible verses that I know of that tell people they should insult their enemies. None. Quite the contrary, we are to bless those who curse us. The command is always to bless, there are no commands to curse or to insult, or to belittle." ~ Adrift

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      Re: WFJs really should stay out of it ...

      Quote Originally posted by justgin View Post
      Here's the link to the entire website:
      http://web.archive.org/web/200209220...x-atheist.com/

      This is for anyone who doubts or disbelieves but is earnestly seeking the truth. This won't help a scoffer one bit.
      Thank you!
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      Re: WFJs really should stay out of it ...

      Quote Originally posted by justgin View Post
      Here's the link to the entire website:
      http://web.archive.org/web/200209220...x-atheist.com/

      This is for anyone who doubts or disbelieves but is earnestly seeking the truth. This won't help a scoffer one bit.
      Thank you!
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      Re: Learning To Think Spiritually

      i'm so glad there is a link to her site, haven't been there in a bit. thank you jg

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      Re: Learning To Think Spiritually

      Princesa, Teluog, forget that link i sent. This one is the most recent version of her site. (and you can thank Chrs181818 for giving me the link to the archives site to begin with!)

      http://web.archive.org/web/200803092...com/index.html




      Gin
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      i mean, if a skeptic is factually wrong about something, just throw the factual facts at them and ask "how is it you never came across this info? did you ever actually read a reputable scholar on this topic?" instead of just calling someone an "idiot" ~ Teluog


      "Yes, if truth is not undergirded by love, it makes the possessor of that truth obnoxious and the truth repulsive." ~ Ravi Zacharias


      "There are no Bible verses that I know of that tell people they should insult their enemies. None. Quite the contrary, we are to bless those who curse us. The command is always to bless, there are no commands to curse or to insult, or to belittle." ~ Adrift

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      Re: Learning To Think Spiritually

      awesome, her website is back up.

      edit- oh no, i thought it was but when i typed it in my browser it doesn't show up. When i clicked on justgins link an archived version does show up however.
      Last edited by princesa; March 25th 2012 at 12:23 PM.

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