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Matthew 12:40 an idiom?

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  • #16
    foudroyant,


    Nothing in your Esther references precludes at least parts of 3 nighttime and at least parts of 3 daytime periods.

    Also, your Acts reference doesn't say anything about nights and days.

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    • #17
      ok sorry I must have misunderstood what you are looking for.

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      • #18
        Since it has been awhile, perhaps someone new looking in may know of some writing.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Geert van den Bos View Post
          Do you think then Jonah spent a literal three days and three nights in the (literal) belly of a (literal) fish?
          Yep!

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Geert van den Bos View Post
            Do you think then Jonah spent a literal three days and three nights in the (literal) belly of a (literal) fish?
            Originally posted by RBerman View Post
            Yep!


            I believe this part should be taken literally, but the part about Jonah proclaiming the imminent doom of Nineveh I take to be a metaphorical declaration for Sunday-keeping.
            For Neo-Remonstration (Arminian/Remonstrant ruminations): <https://theremonstrant.blogspot.com>

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Geert van den Bos View Post
              Do you think then Jonah spent a literal three days and three nights in the (literal) belly of a (literal) fish?
              Yup....

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              • #22
                One Bad Pig,

                You have a question directed to you in post #5.

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                • #23
                  Since it's been awhile, perhaps someone new looking in will know of some writing.

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                  • #24
                    Someone new looking in may know of some writing.

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                    • #25
                      Since it has again been awhile, perhaps someone new looking in who thinks that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week will know of some writing as requested in the OP.

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                      • #26
                        Here is a verse that undermines the partial-day theory.

                        Revelation 11:11
                        And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by rstrats View Post
                          Since it has again been awhile, perhaps someone new looking in who thinks that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week will know of some writing as requested in the OP.
                          Perhaps the time of three days and three nights in the stomach of the fish (Jonah 1:17) is also indicative of the travelling time that the ship was from land and therefore showed the impossibility of Jonah surviving without God's help. Luke 11:30 mentions that Jonah became a sign to the Ninevites, so it seems that they appreciated this miracle. Jesus saying he will be three days and three nights in the belly of the earth (Matt 12:40) is basically a round about way of recalling the words about Lazarus' body stinking ie when someone is dead their body starts to decompose almost immediately and so it could be that it was not so much the exact time they were talking about but the time beyond which only the hand of God could be inferred in reversing the situation.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Obsidian View Post
                            Here is a verse that undermines the partial-day theory.

                            Revelation 11:11
                            And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
                            This stipulates three and a half days - the duration is declared absolutely. ~ days said as a generalisation isn't impacted. To interpret 3 days as declaring absolutely a term of 72 hours, 3 full days needs to be stipulated.
                            The generalisation, three days, can be any part of the first day, the second day, and any part of the third day: ten minutes before the end of day 1, day 2, and ten minutes after the start of day 3 is a generalised three days, but only 24 hours 20 minutes has elapsed.
                            The generalisation, three days and three nights requires an elapsed time of more than 48 hours.
                            1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                            .
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                            Scripture before Tradition:
                            but that won't prevent others from
                            taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                            of the right to call yourself Christian.

                            ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by rstrats View Post
                              Since it has again been awhile, perhaps someone new looking in who thinks that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week will know of some writing as requested in the OP.
                              It can't be found rstrats - in all the additional checking that I have done, nothing has emerged. What has emerged is the claim that the Talmud shows Jesus to have been tried on a Thursday. I haven't been able to locate anything authoritative in support of the claim though.
                              1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                              .
                              ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛
                              Scripture before Tradition:
                              but that won't prevent others from
                              taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                              of the right to call yourself Christian.

                              ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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                              • #30
                                tabigito,

                                re: "It can't be found rstrats "


                                I wonder what some of the 6th day of the week crucifixion advocates use to support their contention that Matthew 12:40 is using common Jewish idiomatic language?

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