Atlanta Fire Chief - fired for being Christian.

[Teallaura]

Didn't you quit this thread?

[Bill the Cat]

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Sparko, the camp gay people were put in during WW2 was Auschwitz.

http://www.holocaustforgotten.com/fivmil.htm
Thousands of Catholic priests and Christian pastors were forced into concentration camps. A special barracks was set up at Dachau, the camp near Munich, Germany, for clergymen. A few survived; some were executed, but most were allowed to die slowly of starvation or disease.

Marriages between African-Americans in the US were recognized in ~1866 by ex-slavery states, with the others having recognized them since the beginning. One a hundred and thirty years later, zero US states recognized marriages between gay people.

Boo freakin hoo. No one was stopping them from getting married in a quasi-religious ceremony though. So, sorry, no dice. Not the same.

Laws preventing racial minorities for having sex with each other are unprecedented, but until recently in most countries in the world gay people would be jailed for having sex with each other.

And? This is the US we are talking about, not developing nations.

In many countries, gay people face censorship, job loss, and the possibility of violent reprisal, for simply admitting to being gay.

Try being a Protestant in Northern Ireland.

The spoiled brats would be Christians in a majority Christian nation wailing at how they are getting persecuted for being Christians by other Christians. Ironically that is the exact original reason for this thread.

True. We do not know persecution in this country. Neither do homosexuals. All we in this country know is whining over conveniences.

[Sparko]

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Sparko, the camp gay people were put in during WW2 was Auschwitz.

along with Jews, Christians, Every one with birth defects and anyone who tried to speak out against Nazism and Hitler. Try again.

Marriages between African-Americans in the US were recognized in ~1866 by ex-slavery states, with the others having recognized them since the beginning. One a hundred and thirty years later, zero US states recognized marriages between gay people.

Because marriage has always been between a man and a woman. Even if the man and woman were of different races.

Laws preventing racial minorities for having sex with each other are unprecedented, but until recently in most countries in the world gay people would be jailed for having sex with each other.

Such laws have not been enforced in the USA in over 100 years, if ever. About the only place I know where it might be enforced would be Muslim sharia run countries, but then they just about imprison and kill anyone who isn't muslim too.

In many countries, gay people face censorship, job loss, and the possibility of violent reprisal, for simply admitting to being gay.

The spoiled brats would be Christians in a majority Christian nation wailing at how they are getting persecuted for being Christians by other Christians. Ironically that is the exact original reason for this thread.

Puhleeze. Nobody has said that some gays have not been treated unfairly or have not suffered, but it is NOTHING like the discrimination racial minorities have faced in the past and still do do some extent. You tried to equate what gays go through today with how blacks were treated in the last century. There is no comparison.

Being gay is a BEHAVIOR. Having black skin is just the way some people are. They can't hide being black, or brown, or red. It's with them for the world to see 24/7 - on the other hand gays are not recognized as gay unless they reveal their behavior and "come out"

Gays don't have an entire society set up to make them second class citizens, there are no separate drinking fountains, bathrooms, restaurants, etc for gays.

Gays have been accepted and even celebrated over the last 50 years. You have gay fashion designers, gay celebrities, gay parties, etc. and people say "oh how wonderful!"

The way gays are treated today is NOTHING like the way blacks were treated before the civil rights movement.

[Sparko]

Didn't you quit this thread?

Can't you read the tagline below my name? Trolls can't resist me

[Sparko]

And? This is the US we are talking about, not developing nations.

I don't think Starlight is from the USA. He is just another foreigner who thinks he knows what goes on around here because he can get American programs on his cable TV.

[Bill the Cat]

I don't think Starlight is from the USA. He is just another foreigner who thinks he knows what goes on around here because he can get American programs on his cable TV.

He's still a whiny liberal. That transcends borders.

[Christianbookworm]

Eh. The Nazis were genocidal jerks to everyone that wasn't in their definition of a pure race.

[Starlight]

until recently in most countries in the world gay people would be jailed for having sex with each other.

And? This is the US we are talking about, not developing nations.

Such laws have not been enforced in the USA in over 100 years, if ever.

Sodomy laws in the US.

"Prior to 1962, sodomy was a felony in every state, punished by a lengthy term of imprisonment and/or hard labor."
In 2003, the Supreme Court in Lawrence v. Texas struck down all remaining anti-sodomy laws.

This has not entirely prevented zealous anti-gay police from trying to enforce sodomy laws in the present day.

All English speaking western nations had laws against gay men having sex until 50 years ago or less. I've seen the number of people in the UK arrested for gay sex over the last 150 years estimated at 49,000.

Because marriage has always been between a man and a woman.

Plenty of cultures in history have had same-sex marriages. Examples include Siwa, 10 of the 21 African tribes listed here, and the Roman Empire.

The worldwide spread of Islam and Christianity suppressed all occurrences of same-sex marriage in cultures where it was previously practiced.

[Teallaura]

Caligula married his horse, didn't he? Or was it just a senator while he married his sister?

I'm thinking 'exception that proves the rule' is probably not your best option to refute the point...

[rogue06]

Caligula married his horse, didn't he? Or was it just a senator while he married his sister?

I'm thinking 'exception that proves the rule' is probably not your best option to refute the point...

IIRC, Caligula is said to have named his favorite horse, Incitatus, to the Roman Senate not married him. While often used as an example of Caligula's madness some modern historians think that it was actually meant to ridicule the Senate who Caligula was usually at odds with.

[Teallaura]

IIRC, Caligula is said to have named his favorite horse, Incitatus, to the Roman Senate not married him. While often used as an example of Caligula's madness some modern historians think that it was actually meant to ridicule the Senate who Caligula was usually at odds with.

Still wouldn't use it as an example to be followed, would you?

Would have been funnier if he'd married the horse, though.

[Jedidiah]

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Sparko, the camp gay people were put in during WW2 was Auschwitz.

Marriages between African-Americans in the US were recognized in ~1866 by ex-slavery states, with the others having recognized them since the beginning. One a hundred and thirty years later, zero US states recognized marriages between gay people.

Laws preventing racial minorities for having sex with each other are unprecedented, but until recently in most countries in the world gay people would be jailed for having sex with each other.

In many countries, gay people face censorship, job loss, and the possibility of violent reprisal, for simply admitting to being gay.

The spoiled brats would be Christians in a majority Christian nation wailing at how they are getting persecuted for being Christians by other Christians. Ironically that is the exact original reason for this thread.

None of which is relevant as already pointed out in this thread.

[lilpixieofterror]

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You mean you must resist trolling.

Sparko, the camp gay people were put in during WW2 was Auschwitz.

And Christians were put into the same camps during WWII too. If you haven't figured it out yet, the Nazi's were genocidal maniacs that would have killed anybody that didn't fit their definition of 'pure' and/or didn't go along with their plans.

Marriages between African-Americans in the US were recognized in ~1866 by ex-slavery states, with the others having recognized them since the beginning. One a hundred and thirty years later, zero US states recognized marriages between gay people.

And when did it become a right for the state to issue you a marriage license? Besides, your home country hardly is the place to talk. From what I could find, 2014 was the first year that gay marriages were actually practiced (before, they were civil marriages and that was in 2005).

Laws preventing racial minorities for having sex with each other are unprecedented, but until recently in most countries in the world gay people would be jailed for having sex with each other.

Beyond some sheriff, out in some random back country area, such laws have not been enforced since my grandmother was a kid. Don't worry though, if you scream your assertions long enough and hard enough and long enough... perhaps all that nasty evidence stuff will disappear.

In many countries, gay people face censorship, job loss, and the possibility of violent reprisal, for simply admitting to being gay.

And your point is what? If you want to include other countries, than Christians also fall into that group. What, did you not hear about the woman jailed, for her conversion from Islam to Christianity? That is just the tip of the iceberg, the ISIS has been murdering people for being Christians, so why do you want to count other countries, when it suits your purpose, but pretend that the same can't be said for other groups, when it goes against your assertions. Yet, Sparko and others are the 'trolls'.

The spoiled brats would be Christians in a majority Christian nation wailing at how they are getting persecuted for being Christians by other Christians. Ironically that is the exact original reason for this thread.

Yep, whines about Christians being the majority in the US, ignores that Christians, across the planet, face the same things he whines about gay's facing, in other parts of the world. Yep, true irony is watching you say stupid comments and thinking you're the smartest person in the room. Do tell, why doesn't the ISIS beheading Christians count, but somebody being mean to a gay person, counts? Let me guess... your double standards is all you can produce? Don't worry, I know you'll ignore me because I have refuted you so thoroughly, but others can read this thread and watch your double standards, in action.

[lilpixieofterror]

I don't think Starlight is from the USA. He is just another foreigner who thinks he knows what goes on around here because he can get American programs on his cable TV.

From what he said on this thread, he's from the UK, but seems to have arrogance that is only topped by stupidity.

[lilpixieofterror]

Sodomy laws in the US.

"Prior to 1962, sodomy was a felony in every state, punished by a lengthy term of imprisonment and/or hard labor."
In 2003, the Supreme Court in Lawrence v. Texas struck down all remaining anti-sodomy laws.

If you haven't noticed, laws being on the books isn't the same as laws being enforced.

This has not entirely prevented zealous anti-gay police from trying to enforce sodomy laws in the present day.

Even though such laws were struck down by the supreme court? Slate.com is a bunch of liberal whiners (much like yourself) that post the most absurd things they could think of. That is the same slate.com that a man posted how worried he was about his daughter wanting princess items or whining about 'gender based toys', so if it is posted on their website, I'd want a second source. Do you have a second source or did you even READ the article?

All English speaking western nations had laws against gay men having sex until 50 years ago or less. I've seen the number of people in the UK arrested for gay sex over the last 150 years estimated at 49,000.

Any of these from when you were alive? Sodomy arrest, are not exactly a common arrest, even when the laws were on the books.

Plenty of cultures in history have had same-sex marriages. Examples include Siwa, 10 of the 21 African tribes listed here, and the Roman Empire.

Name 10 historical gay marriages, from any of these groups. From what I've been able to find, they were so rare... that history has forgotten about them. Besides, Nero castrated a young boy and married him, not exactly something you'd want advertised as a role model for your group...

The worldwide spread of Islam and Christianity suppressed all occurrences of same-sex marriage in cultures where it was previously practiced.

Than you shouldn't have a problem, naming 10 cases from each society or was gay marriage, even by them, so rare that history has basically forgotten the few cases that existed?