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Let me be clear about one thing. If the government placed a condition on preaching that specifically prohibited the church from teaching on a specific biblical teaching (most likely that would probably be homosexuality), that would be too high a price to pay."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostLet me be clear about one thing. If the government placed a condition on preaching that specifically prohibited the church from teaching on a specific biblical teaching (most likely that would probably be homosexuality), that would be too high a price to pay.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Amen to KG and CP. If I were a member of a church that altered Biblical teaching, on homosexuality or anything else, to keep tax exempt status I would move and give my tithe to a body that held to the Bible rather than PC.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Probably a wrong place to put this but I urge support for the Fair Tax, and elimination of the IRS.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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I first heard about the unregistered church movement maybe 20 years ago. I think my initial reaction was an interesting and in points a valid perspective on church-state relationships but that their concerns about the government controlling the church were over-stated. Now I'm wondering if they weren't prophetic and there is coming a point where you can be loyal to the government or the church but not both.
On the other hand, separation of church and state is a relatively new concept. In Jesus' time, the Jews would have been struggling with the same idea since until the Roman conquest, their state was a theocracy centered on God. In the modern era, the United States is the first country I know of to have a separation of church and state formally enacted. Everywhere else had the official state religion (at the time: England = Church of England; France = Roman Catholic; Sweden = Lutheran, etc) and other denominations were at best tolerated. No surprise that we today struggle with the same."For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6
"Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom
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Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View PostI first heard about the unregistered church movement maybe 20 years ago. I think my initial reaction was an interesting and in points a valid perspective on church-state relationships but that their concerns about the government controlling the church were over-stated. Now I'm wondering if they weren't prophetic and there is coming a point where you can be loyal to the government or the church but not both.
On the other hand, separation of church and state is a relatively new concept. In Jesus' time, the Jews would have been struggling with the same idea since until the Roman conquest, their state was a theocracy centered on God. In the modern era, the United States is the first country I know of to have a separation of church and state formally enacted. Everywhere else had the official state religion (at the time: England = Church of England; France = Roman Catholic; Sweden = Lutheran, etc) and other denominations were at best tolerated. No surprise that we today struggle with the same."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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