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    [Some other forum] and SJ Gould

    Yay! It's so good to be back among knowledgeable, humorous and intelligent people again. Now I don't have to feed my addiction by strafing the parrotting imbeciles inhabiting the cesspit of [censored].

    Unfortunately I have a couple of small pieces of unfinished business there which I hope one of my old inadversaries here might be able to assist with. Would any of you happen to have a copy of SJ Gould's "Panda's Thumb" handy? Mine has gone missing

    Roy
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    Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

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    You spent time on another forum???

    You sir, are a forum tart!

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    Had to get my fix somehow...
    Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

    mikewhitney: What if the speed of light changed when light is passing through water? ... I have 3 semesters of college Physics.

    Mountain Man: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy View Post
    Yay! It's so good to be back among knowledgeable, humorous and intelligent people again. Now I don't have to feed my addiction by strafing the parrotting imbeciles inhabiting the cesspit of [censored].

    Unfortunately I have a couple of small pieces of unfinished business there which I hope one of my old inadversaries here might be able to assist with. Would any of you happen to have a copy of SJ Gould's "Panda's Thumb" handy? Mine has gone missing

    Roy
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    Thanks rogue, but it doesn't contain the article I'm after

    Roy
    Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

    mikewhitney: What if the speed of light changed when light is passing through water? ... I have 3 semesters of college Physics.

    Mountain Man: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy View Post
    Would any of you happen to have a copy of SJ Gould's "Panda's Thumb" handy? Mine has gone missing

    Roy
    I have my copy right here. What info from it do you seek?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HMS_Beagle View Post
    I have my copy right here. What info from it do you seek?
    You are a :star:. I'm after the exact text of the section in 'The return of hopeful monsters' that starts:
    All paleontologists know that the fossil record contains ...
    Many thanks,

    Roy
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    Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

    mikewhitney: What if the speed of light changed when light is passing through water? ... I have 3 semesters of college Physics.

    Mountain Man: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.

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    Just checked my library. I have eleven of Gould's books, but not that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy View Post
    You are a :star:. I'm after the exact text of the section in 'The return of hopeful monsters' that starts:


    Many thanks,

    Roy
    "All paleontologists know that the fossil record contains precious little in the way of intermediate forms; transitions between major groups are characteristically abrupt. Gradualists usually extract themselves from this dilemma by invoking the extreme imperfection of the fossil record. Although I reject this argument (for reasons discussed in essay 17), let us grant the traditional escape and ask a different question. Even though we have no direct evidence for smooth transitions, can we invent a reasonable sequence of intermediate forms -- that is, viable, functioning organisms -- between ancestors and descendants in major structural transitions? Of what possible use are the imperfect incipient stages of useful structures? What good is half a jaw or half a wing? The concept of preadaptation provides the conventional answer by permitting us to argue that incipient stages performed different functions. The half jaw worked perfectly well as a series of gill-supporting bones; the half wing may have trapped prey or controlled body temperature. I regard preadaptation as an important, even an indispensable, concept. But a plausible story is not necessarily true. I do not doubt that preadaptation can save gradualism in some cases, but does it permit us to invent a tale of continuity in most or all cases? I submit, although it may only reflect my lack of imagination, that the answer is no, and I invoke two recently supported cases of discontinuous change in my defense."

    HTH.

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    Many thanks - you are a gentleman and a scholar.

    Roy
    Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

    mikewhitney: What if the speed of light changed when light is passing through water? ... I have 3 semesters of college Physics.

    Mountain Man: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.

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