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[grmorton]

I am curious at how little the young-earthers post here any more. I am wondering why. Have people left the young-earth position? Have they gone elsewhere in order to avoid any data contrary to their position. Any ideas?

Has anyone changed their position by reading the posts here over the past 2 years?

[Meh_Gerbil]

I typically don't post much because for me the question has been throughly answered until I'm willing to pick it up again and look at it and consider it again seriously.

I'm onto other topics -- not that I ever posted much here to begin with.

[rogero]

I typically don't post much because for me the question has been throughly answered until I'm willing to pick it up again and look at it and consider it again seriously.

I'm onto other topics -- not that I ever posted much here to begin with.

What "question" and in what sense has it been throughly answered which way? Do you believe that Earth and Cosmos are 6-10K years old or 4.5 - 13.7 billion years old? Is this a contest in which there are only two alternatives, and you have decided upon which is the "winner"?

What objective criteria have you used to determine the "winner"?

Are you willing to admit that this "winner" is only in your own perception and limitations of knowledge and interpretation?

[Meh_Gerbil]

Are you willing to admit that this "winner" is only in your own perception and limitations of knowledge and interpretation?

Of course.

It's that way for everybody.

[brett]

I am curious at how little the young-earthers post here any more. I am wondering why. Have people left the young-earth position? Have they gone elsewhere in order to avoid any data contrary to their position. Any ideas?

I see a lot more YECs in other forums. A while back there were quite a few YECs here, but they all seemed to have left right about the time Soc left. To me the dialog seemed to go downhill after that. I can only speculate why they left and therefore won't bother. But I think it's safe to say they've left T-Web, not their position. As far as the data, I see the same arguments here as everywhere else. I don't think that's the problem.

Has anyone changed their position by reading the posts here over the past 2 years?

It's very unlikely you'll find people who have converted from OEC (OEC in the general sense including TE) positions. That's not because the evidence is so great on the OEC side, but because YEC is the straight forward reading of the text. No one picks up Genesis and then immediately says, "Wow millions of years, a local flood, an allegorical garden, etc.!" Virtually everyone starts as a YEC and either stays there or is persuaded to the other side. In fact I would think OECs would be nothing but converts. The only converts to YEC would be someone like me that has gone full circle. I started a YEC naturally, then went to Gap, then to Day-Age then back to YEC once I realized the text wasn't compatible with anything else (IMHO). But that's going to be very rare.

[Dee Dee Warren]

I remain YEC but don't even have time to discuss preterism lately which is my favourite topic generally speaking.

[Meh_Gerbil]

I remain YEC but don't even have time to discuss preterism lately which is my favourite topic generally speaking.

wOOt - two YEC's remain

...but none of 'em wanna talk about it.

grmorton chased 'em all into hiding.

[jason]

I am curious at how little the young-earthers post here any more. I am wondering why. Have people left the young-earth position? Have they gone elsewhere in order to avoid any data contrary to their position. Any ideas?

Maybe they just got tired of the endless abuse and name calling. Its gets old to be berated by people who talk down to you all the time and treat you like a toddler.

Has anyone changed their position by reading the posts here over the past 2 years?

Some of my positions have moved a bit.

Although I realised, I don't care that much about the issue anymore. I'm just waiting for the old guard to die so science can get back on track

Jason

[Dee Dee Warren]

wOOt - two YEC's remain

...but none of 'em wanna talk about it.

grmorton chased 'em all into hiding.

I never talked about it much ever.

[kuboes1831]

Maybe they just got tired of the endless abuse and name calling. Its gets old to be berated by people who talk down to you all the time and treat you like a toddler.


Some of my positions have moved a bit.

Although I realised, I don't care that much about the issue anymore. I'm just waiting for the old guard to die so science can get back on track

Jason

No, the problem is quite simple;

1. YECs dont understand the Bible and twist it

2. They misunderstand science

3. When they do try to present their case, many resort to misquotation and distortion. HMM is full of it and loads of others

4. They dont like being challenge in their false arguments.

As it science is on track (except fro Dawkins and a few athesitic nutters) and so called YEC science is just a load of rubbish, it is as off-tracj as one can get.

[Meh_Gerbil]

No, the problem is quite simple;

1. YECs dont understand the Bible and twist it

2. They misunderstand science

3. When they do try to present their case, many resort to misquotation and distortion. HMM is full of it and loads of others

4. They dont like being challenge in their false arguments.

As it science is on track (except fro Dawkins and a few athesitic nutters) and so called YEC science is just a load of rubbish, it is as off-tracj as one can get.

That response to Jason kinda proved his point about the name calling....

[jason]

No, the problem is quite simple;

You are aware I am not a YEC.

Jason

[Barry Desborough]

I see a lot more YECs in other forums.

What forums? Lemme attem!

Barry

[Dee Dee Warren]

Typical kuboes

[grmorton]

wOOt - two YEC's remain

...but none of 'em wanna talk about it.

grmorton chased 'em all into hiding.

I appreciate all the responses. I guess I am kind of amazed by that last statement. When I beleive something, even when I was a YEC, I fight for it. I argued for YEC even in the oil company I was working for back in the 1970s and it cost me dearly but because I believed at that time I was right, I didn't care. What amazes me is the way most young-earthers' disappear when anyone shows them data they don't like. And then they claim things like 'too busy' or 'its not important' etc. When someone believes something they should fight for it. In spite of the fact that Soc had the personalilty of a wounded, cornered badger, at least he fought for his position.