The Greatest Nation in the World EVER was....

[Anoetos]

Um, that would be...including.

[Amazing Rando]

That's what I thought.

[Snarf]

Hands down the USA is the greatest country ever. It is thanks to America that the world does not speak German and Japanese or Russian. And it is because of the US that the world will not speak Arabic in the future.

Every free country on the planet owes a debt of gratitude to the USA for either preserving their freedom or allowing their freedom to develop.

I'm sure that the Native Americans are lining up to thanks us for the Trail of Tears and Wounded Knee, and generally stealing their land. Also Mexico who was only too happy to see us take their land in a war of conquest, and all those dictators that we've supported over the years.

[Arnold]

I'm sure that the Native Americans are lining up to thanks us for the Trail of Tears and Wounded Knee, and generally stealing their land. Also Mexico who was only too happy to see us take their land in a war of conquest, and all those dictators that we've supported over the years.

I find it amusing that you list these things as if perfection must be attained in order to top the list. Childish. Whatever criticism you can find, the good that America has done in the world more than overshadows it.

[Conductor42]

Iceland between the 10th-13th century.

[Conductor42]

Do the ends justify the means?

Is the murder of tens of milions of Native Americans justified?

I find it amusing that you list these things as if perfection must be attained in order to top the list. Childish. Whatever criticism you can find, the good that America has done in the world more than overshadows it.

[Conductor42]

I find it disturbing that people like murderers.

No problem.

P.S. I'm not actually a Communist. I do like Che though. But that's for another thread...

[Arnold]

Do the ends justify the means?

Is the murder of tens of milions of Native Americans justified?

Sometimes you say the stupidest things. How in the world you figure that is what I said is completely beyond me...

[C. D. Ward]

I'm very scared right now....

...partly because I find myself agreeing with Arnold...

...and partly because that seems to be happening more frequently...

That said, I do have to take issue with those who cited "Greece", because, technically, "Greece" wasn't a nation until modern times (1829). The "Greece" to which posters are referring as the "cradle of civilization" was a collection of nation-states in those ancient times.

[Arnold]

I'm very scared right now....

...partly because I find myself agreeing with Arnold...

...and partly because that seems to be happening more frequently...

"Welcome to my parlor" said the spider to the fly...

[Snarf]

I find it amusing that you list these things as if perfection must be attained in order to top the list. Childish. Whatever criticism you can find, the good that America has done in the world more than overshadows it.

What good has America done that overshadows enslaving thousands of people, killing thousands of Native Americans, conquering and stealing land that was not our own, giving aid to brutal dictators like Saddam and those in Central America, giving material aid to terrorists like Osama, and killing indigenous peoples in Hawaii? We can't even take the credit for stopping the Nazis, since the Soviets took the brunt of it. It is truly funny watching America give material aid to dictators like Saddam, and then keep quiet about it, and then when we decide to take down the monster we made crow about what a great nation we are.

[Arnold]

What good has America done that overshadows enslaving thousands of people, killing thousands of Native Americans, conquering and stealing land that was not our own, giving aid to brutal dictators like Saddam and those in Central America, giving material aid to terrorists like Osama, and killing indigenous peoples in Hawaii? We can't even take the credit for stopping the Nazis, since the Soviets took the brunt of it. It is truly funny watching America give material aid to dictators like Saddam, and then keep quiet about it, and then when we decide to take down the monster we made crow about what a great nation we are.

I see strategic thinking is not your strong point...

[Conductor42]

Sometimes you say the stupidest things. How in the world you figure that is what I said is completely beyond me...

You said that "the good that America has done in the world more than overshadows it."

I disagree.

The murder of tens of millions of Native Americans does not outweigh the good that we have done.

Then again, if we had stuck to the constitution it those deaths would have never happened.

[Ben Franklin]

I find it amusing that you list these things as if perfection must be attained in order to top the list. Childish. Whatever criticism you can find, the good that America has done in the world more than overshadows it.

Moral relativism, huh...?

[Arnold]

You said that "the good that America has done in the world more than overshadows it."

I disagree.

The murder of tens of millions of Native Americans does not outweigh the good that we have done.

Then again, if we had stuck to the constitution it those deaths would have never happened.

Then why didn't you say so in the first place instead of insinuating that I somehow thought it was justified?

And where does this "tens of millions" come from? It seems an incredible number...