Allah is a pagan moon god.

[Krusader]

I agree that Allah was simply made chief and only deity by Mohammed, but obviously had his origin in the pre-Islamic pantheon. Islam is, therefore, a reformed sort of pagansim, although the haj and other elements are very thinly veiled revisions of pagan practice.

[moose7237]

I agree that Allah was simply made chief and only deity by Mohammed, but obviously had his origin in the pre-Islamic pantheon. Islam is, therefore, a reformed sort of pagansim, although the haj and other elements are very thinly veiled revisions of pagan practice.

friend,
you are sadly mistaken. Allah is not pagan, nor ever was Pagan, Muhammad was never a pagan.

[barnasha]

friend,
you are sadly mistaken. Allah is not pagan, nor ever was Pagan, Muhammad was never a pagan.

the word 'pagan' is only relative to a prevailing custom. So the pre-islamic "jahiliyyah" arabs are considered to be 'pagan' by the muslims (and any modern day historian of the culture at that time, since compared to Islam, the others were pagan)

[moose7237]

the word 'pagan' is only relative to a prevailing custom. So the pre-islamic "jahiliyyah" arabs are considered to be 'pagan' by the muslims (and any modern day historian of the culture at that time, since compared to Islam, the others were pagan)

Hello and Peace be to you friend,

Yes the Jahiliyyah were pagan, but Allah is not pagan, that was a myth by this Morey guy, who failed to notice that in the Quran Allah said worship the creator of the sun and moon.

[barnasha]

my point was 'pagan' is a term without much real meaning.

peace to you too,
b

Hello and Peace be to you friend,

Yes the Jahiliyyah were pagan, but Allah is not pagan, that was a myth by this Morey guy, who failed to notice that in the Quran Allah said worship the creator of the sun and moon.

[LivniHaNetzari]

It's really interesting to see Xians calling Islam a religion of violence and paganism. Its really an example of the pot calling the kettle black when you examine both of the religions respective histories.
Xianity borrowed heavily from Platonism (Pagan) and various Roman mystery cults (Pagan). They also have had a tendency throughout the ages to systematically torture and murder people of other faiths, and even those within their own faith.

When Jews were the victims of an onslaught of such violence, the fled to the Ottoman Empire where they were (gasp!) treated with kindness and civility. This is one example of Moslems showing far greater humanity than their Xian counterparts.

It should be noted, that "Allah" was used by Arabic-speaking Jews AND Xians as a cognate to "Eloah" centuries before Mohammad was even born. So, unless you are willing to say Arabic Judaism and Xianity are both forms of Arabic Moon Worshipping that pretty much debunks your whole case.

[Daniel Marsh]

my point was 'pagan' is a term without much real meaning.

peace to you too,
b

If it has not been pointed out, the name of the moon god in Muhammads' time where he lived was SIN, not Allah. Look in any mythology dictionary.

[Scruffy]

I think we need to step back and look at the big question. Do religions evolve from earlier religions/mythologies? Or are they supernaturally created through divine revelation?

This issue parallels the issue of biological evolution, in a way. Did we evolve from earlier organisms? Or are we supernaturally created through divine action?

Religions, which are after all mythological systems, evolved quite naturally from and are influenced by other mythologies in responce to stimulus. They are shaped by the needs of the culture, their environment/circumstances, and their level of empirical & mystical knowledge.

Is there a "missing link" of some kind or another between Islam and earlier mythologies? Of course.

[barnasha]

Is there a "missing link" of some kind or another between Islam and earlier mythologies? Of course.

Islam itself comes from the arabs from the hebrews, with a lineage back to Adam. But this is according to the only authentic sources, not any propoganda or conjecture.

[barnasha]

Hello and Peace be to you friend,

Yes the Jahiliyyah were pagan, but Allah is not pagan, that was a myth by this Morey guy, who failed to notice that in the Quran Allah said worship the creator of the sun and moon.

people from the Jaheliyyah are only 'pagan' in relation to Islam. The word pagan is relative to the context of its use.

Morey's attempts to somehow relate Islam to pagan cultures, and say that Islam means to worship any other gods than Allah, are highly unscientific, as has been pointed out in this thread already

[PutYHWH1st]

I feel sorry for the muslims who are betrayed as much as the catholics,whom muhamad had one as a wife.This is where he learned much about bible and ch-stianity.I like chick tracts although he has many wrong doctrines.No one person or ministry or religion is perfect in this world thanks to satan and his ashtar council command. http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0042/0042_01.asp Revelation12:9 ...satan who deceives the whole world...with the help of masons illuminati and jesuits. WWYD? What Would Yahushua Do? we will find the truth soon. Amein

[Bowman]

Muslims claim that Allah is the same God of the Bible, and the message of the Koran is consistent with that of the Bible

The second half of this statement is true because the authors of the Koran directly copied from the Holy Bible.

The first part of this statement is completely false, as the 'allah' of the Koran is actually Satan dressed-up to look like the true Biblical God, Jesus Christ.

[barnasha]

The second half of this statement is true because the authors of the Koran directly copied from the Holy Bible.

Since the Quran was initially 100% orally transmitted, and the sole transmitter did not even write, this statement does not have any correspondence at all with the historical record.

The first part of this statement is completely false, as the 'allah' of the Koran is actually Satan dressed-up to look like the true Biblical God, Jesus Christ.

Then why do arabic speaking christians say "Allah" instead of God? Are you saying Christians in palestine are satan worshippers because they speak arabic? how christian of you

[Bowman]

Since the Quran was initially 100% orally transmitted, and the sole transmitter did not even write, this statement does not have any correspondence at all with the historical record.

Assuming that the Koran was originally oral, and that it did not change, then all oral references to 'alkitab' i.e. the written revelation - i.e. the Holy Bible does indeed plainly tell the reader/listener that it was copied from the Holy Bible.

Then why do arabic speaking christians say "Allah" instead of God?

In translation, only.

Are you saying Christians in palestine are satan worshippers because they speak arabic?

Nope.

The Allah of Arab Christians has an only begotten Son named Jesus Christ.

Does the 'allah' that Muslims worship have the same?

Didn't think so...

how christian of you

How ignorant of you...

[barnasha]

Assuming that the Koran was originally oral, and that it did not change, then all oral references to 'alkitab' i.e. the written revelation - i.e. the Holy Bible does indeed plainly tell the reader/listener that it was copied from the Holy Bible.





In translation, only.






Nope.

The Allah of Arab Christians has an only begotten Son named Jesus Christ.

Does the 'allah' that Muslims worship have the same?

Didn't think so...

if not, then christians are really a new religion and not followers of the god of Abraham, like Moses and Jesus were (according to the bible)