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For my Greek Readings class, I was required to do a whole mess of stuff with Ephesians 4:1-16, including a word study, visual layout, interlinear grammatical analysis, textual criticism on a variant reading, and exegesis. What follows is my very first attempt at grammatically based exegesis. Hope you like it! Comments are welcome, as always.
If there is anything I’ve learned from both conservatives and liberals, it’s that we can have all the “right” answers and still be mean. And when you’re mean, it’s hard for people to listen to, much less desire, your truth.
Excellant presentation. Sounds like a good Sunday morning sermon... Do you mind...
When it comes to my faith, I am neither Protestant, Catholic, Pentecostal, Baptist, Charismatic, or Christadelphian; Calvinist, nor any other denomination. I am an equal opportunity believer. I believe the bible every opportunity I get.
If you advocate it, and I can find it in the Bible: On that particular issue; that is what denomination I am. If I cannot find it, then I am some other denomination. My goal is to seek doctrinal inconsistencies and contradictions where ever I find them, and question them to death...
You're welcome to it, but it's likely too heavy on the Greek to be totally "preachable. "
If there is anything I’ve learned from both conservatives and liberals, it’s that we can have all the “right” answers and still be mean. And when you’re mean, it’s hard for people to listen to, much less desire, your truth.
That's really good Rando, well done. Very interesting.
My name is Ben, please call me that.
"A citizen of Zion is sincere in his religion. He is really what he professes to be...he is just...he speaks the truth in his heart...he speaks evil of no man...he makes the best of everybody and the worst of nobody." - Matthew Henry on Psalm 15.
You're welcome to it, but it's likely too heavy on the Greek to be totally "preachable. "
Even excluding the Greek, it is inspirational. You must know Greek for dummies, because I just happen to understand and am inspired by the way you presented even the Greek...
I can preach it....
I've been practicing using my tape recorder. My neighbors thought I was having church in my house. Even got a request for the tape...
When it comes to my faith, I am neither Protestant, Catholic, Pentecostal, Baptist, Charismatic, or Christadelphian; Calvinist, nor any other denomination. I am an equal opportunity believer. I believe the bible every opportunity I get.
If you advocate it, and I can find it in the Bible: On that particular issue; that is what denomination I am. If I cannot find it, then I am some other denomination. My goal is to seek doctrinal inconsistencies and contradictions where ever I find them, and question them to death...
My neighbors thought I was having church in my house. Even got a request for the tape...
Cool.
Hope dangles on a string / Like slow spinning redemption / ... / I am captivated / I am Vindicated / I am selfish / I am wrong / I am right / I swear I'm right / I swear I knew it all along / And I am flawed / But I am cleaning up so well / I am seeing in me now the things you swore you saw yourself / Vindicated by Dashboard Confessional
"The world is so competitive, aggressive, consumive, selfish, and during the time we spend here, we must be all but that." Jose Mourinho
The passage didn't really "come alive" to me until after I'd done the exegesis. Got a course specifically in exegesis coming up this fall, so expect to see more of this type of writing from me!
If there is anything I’ve learned from both conservatives and liberals, it’s that we can have all the “right” answers and still be mean. And when you’re mean, it’s hard for people to listen to, much less desire, your truth.
I naturally don't agree with 100% of it (as if you thought I would? LOL), but very impressive, good jorb!
Thanks for your patience in the thread's I have previously committed myself to. Things are still difficult and topsy-turvy here, and I may actually start work somewhere this week (strong likelihood), so I'll do my best to answer some of those threads! See you in the forums...
When even our Christian leadership has committed to a strategy of compromising on "Do not murder" by supporting judges [like Alito], politicians [like Bush] and rulings that explicitly will kill certain innocent children, it is absurd for us to ask God to bless America. -- Bob Enyart, 1/18/06
Exegesis?? I guess you won't become a Calvinist anytime soon.
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Thanks for your patience in the thread's I have previously committed myself to. Things are still difficult and topsy-turvy here, and I may actually start work somewhere this week (strong likelihood), so I'll do my best to answer some of those threads! See you in the forums...
When even our Christian leadership has committed to a strategy of compromising on "Do not murder" by supporting judges [like Alito], politicians [like Bush] and rulings that explicitly will kill certain innocent children, it is absurd for us to ask God to bless America. -- Bob Enyart, 1/18/06
"made captive captivity?" Sounds radical to me. Let no one ever say Christ is boring or mundane.
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Of course, there are other views of what that passage means... :riwink:
Thanks for your patience in the thread's I have previously committed myself to. Things are still difficult and topsy-turvy here, and I may actually start work somewhere this week (strong likelihood), so I'll do my best to answer some of those threads! See you in the forums...
When even our Christian leadership has committed to a strategy of compromising on "Do not murder" by supporting judges [like Alito], politicians [like Bush] and rulings that explicitly will kill certain innocent children, it is absurd for us to ask God to bless America. -- Bob Enyart, 1/18/06
"made captive captivity?" Sounds radical to me. Let no one ever say Christ is boring or mundane.
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That phrase went over quite well in class when we read it together.
If there is anything I’ve learned from both conservatives and liberals, it’s that we can have all the “right” answers and still be mean. And when you’re mean, it’s hard for people to listen to, much less desire, your truth.
That phrase went over quite well in class when we read it together.
I think it captures it quite well. That not only does God free the Israelites from the Egyptians, but that in a more transendental sense, God is Freedom. Similar to how God is love. He doesn't just act in specific instances of love. He embodies love. He is love.
I'm curious as to RI's other interpretations, but I don't think your translation goes against the grain of say, God's omnipotence or omnipresence or omniscience. He is our Saviour and He frees us from our captivity. That, even moreso than some of His more abstract attributes, is why we, as pieces of humanity, must be and will be interested in Him.
Well, another view is that this passage refers to Christ going to "Paradise" (ie. the Abraham's Bosom side of Sheol) to free those there who had died in a salvific relationship with God, freeing them to now go to Heaven, now that the cross had paid for their sins.
Jesus describes Abraham's bosom (where Lazarus went) as being in close proximity to the place where the rich man went, with only some kind of chasm separating them. This isn't consistent with the Lake of Fire, later on. So, it must take place prior to that. Later on, we see references to to people going to Heaven immediately after death, whereas prior to the cross, they went into the "grave" where they rested, waiting. So, some interpret this passage where He "led captivity captive" as referring to Him going to where these souls were captive, and leading them out and onward to heaven.
Just in a nutshell. :riblack:
Thanks for your patience in the thread's I have previously committed myself to. Things are still difficult and topsy-turvy here, and I may actually start work somewhere this week (strong likelihood), so I'll do my best to answer some of those threads! See you in the forums...
When even our Christian leadership has committed to a strategy of compromising on "Do not murder" by supporting judges [like Alito], politicians [like Bush] and rulings that explicitly will kill certain innocent children, it is absurd for us to ask God to bless America. -- Bob Enyart, 1/18/06
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