"Is it that you believe God would not allow a true prophet to be killed by anyone, or is it that God would not allow a true prophet to be killed by Jews, specifically?"---this is an interesting question---I had not thought of it one way or the other, as I felt verse 156 was concerning a specific incident only....But, if we are speaking of generalities, I would say God would allow what he pleases.
I can agree with your point about verse 156 is for the purpose of "taking the wind out of their sails". But why do you suppose the Quran then goes on to clarify that it was an illusion? My opinion is that such denial would close speculation about Jesus Christ(pbuh) being false Prophet----but I am open to other ideas suggestions.......(by the way, apparently Docetist(?)---(early Christianity) seem to have a somewhat similar idea about crucifixion being an illusion?---do you have any opinion on this?)
what good is a warning?---I read the Quran, yet I am not familiar with Christian and Jewish traditions. It was not until I happened to chat with a Jewish person who was reading Surah 2 on the net that I began to realize how a Jewish person would understand it . In a brief conversation, the Jewish person confirmed that the claim in the Quran that many things would be familiar to Jews from their tradition was correct---He also confirmed the importance of remembrance in Jewish practice...but said he could not recall any incidents of Prophet killing. ---My speculations of how the Quran is using Jewish tradition is based on this (brief) chat.
as an example of a Muslim reading----There is a story in Surah 2 about a heifer (the title story) In which the Jewish people are asked to sacrifice a heifer but they are reluctant and delay by making excuses that they do not understand the instructions. In the process---they make it more difficult for themselves. I don't know how a person from a Jewish background would understand this story---but for us Muslims, the lesson is clear---we (Muslims) can make religion/Islam difficult for ourselves by forgetting the ethical/moral/spiritual principles upon which it is based and focusing instead on unnecessary details. (2:67-71)
Such interpretation does not require any knowledge of Jewish practices.........
"Yes, first of all I believe Jesus died to save all humanity from Adam's sin, sins of the father. Atheists, everyone. Next, all humanity may be saved from their own sins."---Nice, I like.
Pentecost---thanks for reply. is rejecting grace = rejecting belief in crucifixion?
I can agree with your point about verse 156 is for the purpose of "taking the wind out of their sails". But why do you suppose the Quran then goes on to clarify that it was an illusion? My opinion is that such denial would close speculation about Jesus Christ(pbuh) being false Prophet----but I am open to other ideas suggestions.......(by the way, apparently Docetist(?)---(early Christianity) seem to have a somewhat similar idea about crucifixion being an illusion?---do you have any opinion on this?)
what good is a warning?---I read the Quran, yet I am not familiar with Christian and Jewish traditions. It was not until I happened to chat with a Jewish person who was reading Surah 2 on the net that I began to realize how a Jewish person would understand it . In a brief conversation, the Jewish person confirmed that the claim in the Quran that many things would be familiar to Jews from their tradition was correct---He also confirmed the importance of remembrance in Jewish practice...but said he could not recall any incidents of Prophet killing. ---My speculations of how the Quran is using Jewish tradition is based on this (brief) chat.
as an example of a Muslim reading----There is a story in Surah 2 about a heifer (the title story) In which the Jewish people are asked to sacrifice a heifer but they are reluctant and delay by making excuses that they do not understand the instructions. In the process---they make it more difficult for themselves. I don't know how a person from a Jewish background would understand this story---but for us Muslims, the lesson is clear---we (Muslims) can make religion/Islam difficult for ourselves by forgetting the ethical/moral/spiritual principles upon which it is based and focusing instead on unnecessary details. (2:67-71)
Such interpretation does not require any knowledge of Jewish practices.........
"Yes, first of all I believe Jesus died to save all humanity from Adam's sin, sins of the father. Atheists, everyone. Next, all humanity may be saved from their own sins."---Nice, I like.
Pentecost---thanks for reply. is rejecting grace = rejecting belief in crucifixion?
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