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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWhere did I EVER say he was "only being the man"? Did you miss the part where I said he was the GODMAN?
I dislike the term "human" in regards to Christ, only because it, by itself, discounts His deity....
We understand this. Those on the outside of the faith do not.Last edited by 37818; 01-24-2015, 12:04 PM.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostMy comments were because you balked at calling Christ human.
He was not just a GODMAN.
I'm really not understanding why you're being so cotton pickin pedantic. I don't remember you normally being like this. Are you just wanting to sound more spiritual?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostHe was not just a GODMAN. He was not part God part man.
He was fully God being the Son, and fully man in becoming human.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Clarity. On the matter.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostNo, I didn't. Read the comment IN CONTEXT.
Nor did I say he was.
I'm really not understanding why you're being so cotton pickin pedantic. I don't remember you normally being like this. Are you just wanting to sound more spiritual?. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostPlease accept my apology. It must be my misunderstanding not yours.
The whole point of using the term "God-man" is that Christ was NOT "part God and part man", he was 100% both at the same time. Perhaps you weren't familiar with that term, or had seen it used in a different context?
Laughing --- I accidentally left out "not" in "I know you're not stupid" --- glad I went back and caught that!The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Heard of it, a handful of times; appreciate the attraction of the passage from 1 Cor.15; but believe that the Incarnation is forever.
IOW, that the Incarnate Word rose again in the Sacred Humanity He had taken in being born of the Virgin Mother of God; that He ascended into Heaven Body & Soul in this same glorified Humanity; and that the union of the Divine & human natures in the unity of the Person of the Word Incarnate is not undone by His Glorification at the right hand of the Father, but is a permanent work of God.
I think it would be anti-climactic for the Incarnation to be undone by the Ascension. Apart from any other considerations, the Incarnation made a permanent change in the relation of creatures to God, so it seems strange to think of the Incarnation being "undone" by Christ, as though the Hypostatic Union were no more than permanent than a change of clothing is with us. The idea seems to suggest a Christology that does not take the Incarnation of "God-with-us" as man quite as thoroughly as it ought. A line like "Robed in flesh the Godhead see" doesn't help.
It ought perhaps to be emphasised that the Incarnation, though profoundly mysterious, does not imply any change at all in any of the Divine Persons. The Holy Trinity is not changed - there is change; not in God, but in the human nature that has been taken & elevated & Divinised by being made the instrument of God the Word. Maybe it is also worth recalling that the Incarnation does not involve a change of place, nor does it involve locomotion: the Word Who became "God-with-us" on earth, is also eternally God with the Father & the Holy Spirit "in Heaven". The Ascension was not a journey into space - it seems, instead, to be a conquering of the limitations of space, which our condition as human creatures damaged by sin has no way of reducing to concepts. Heaven is not a place in the sense that Chicago or Oceania or Aldebaran or Rigel are places. God is not spatially located.
Just my 2d.
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