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    Quote Originally Posted by GoBahnsen View Post
    That's pathetic. How do these people find so many suckers? Ok...but for the grace of God, there go I...
    I would hesitate to call these people suckers. They are generally highly uneducated people mired in poverty (with many chronic ailments) who will give their last dollar to anyone providing hope from the Bible that they were raised to believe has authority. Undoubtedly they go and listen to these men for motivation to live another day and to escape the hell that characterizes their lives through "spiritual ecstasy". Charlatans or well-meaning people (like Joyce Meyer) take advantage and/or perpetuate the problem.

    It doesn't take the grace of God to prevent people from believing lies and nonsense like the teachings of charlatans, just an education.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrawly View Post
    I would hesitate to call these people suckers. They are generally highly uneducated people mired in poverty (with many chronic ailments) who will give their last dollar to anyone providing hope from the Bible that they were raised to believe has authority. Undoubtedly they go and listen to these men for motivation to live another day and to escape the hell that characterizes their lives through "spiritual ecstasy". Charlatans or well-meaning people (like Joyce Meyer) take advantage and/or perpetuate the problem.

    It doesn't take the grace of God to prevent people from believing lies and nonsense like the teachings of charlatans, just an education. [Emphasis added.]
    Or perhaps both. Good points, Scrawly.

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    What do people think about the following quote:

    We should shrink in horror from the idea that God actually died on the cross. The atonement was made by the human nature of Christ

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    Quote Originally Posted by phat8594 View Post
    What do people think about the following quote:
    Here's the link to the article for the full context, for anyone interested: http://www.ligonier.org/blog/it-accu...od-died-cross/

    Without thinking too much about it, the quote seems kind of silly. Natures, whether human or divine, do not experience death, persons do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrawnus View Post
    Here's the link to the article for the full context, for anyone interested: http://www.ligonier.org/blog/it-accu...od-died-cross/

    Without thinking too much about it, the quote seems kind of silly. Natures, whether human or divine, do not experience death, persons do.
    Yeah, it seems to me to crossing over into the gnostic arena where we start separating the human & divine natures of Christ from the person of Christ. This of course seems to be going against the very nature of the Nicene Creed which asserts the person of Christ, who is 'God of God' & 'Very God of Very God' was crucified, suffered, and was rose again.

    So essentially, it seems he is denying the death, burial, and resurrection of the person of Christ....

    seems to me that he is at least borderline on what the historical chuch considered heresy...

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    I tend to agree witih Joyce Meyer's interpretation of the three days, although I am open to persuasion. To call it heretical is silly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phat8594 View Post
    What do people think about the following quote:
    We should shrink in horror from the idea that God actually died on the cross. The atonement was made by the human nature of Christ
    Well, I do not know who said that.
    First, God cannot die. Second, the Son of God did die, on the cross, completing the atonement (John 19:28, 30) before He physically died, and then physically died, to be buried and to be risen from the dead as the first immortal man. The Son of God never ceased being God. So as God, did experience death. Now the human nature of Christ can only atone one man for one man, it was in His divine nature that He can atone for all humans. The Son of God is one Person, who is two in nature, both human and God, and those two natures were not and are not mixed. So it is, God never died, the Son of God did, not just the man.
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    . . . the Gospel of Christ, for it is [the] power of God to salvation to every [one] believing, . . . -- Romans 1:16.

    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    I'm surprised not to see Joel Osteen yet.
    Look no further.

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    Oral Roberts:

    I felt an overwhelming holy presence all around me. When I opened my eyes, there He stood ... some 900 feet tall, looking at me ... He stood a full 300 feet taller than the 600-foot-tall City of Faith. There I was face to face with Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God. I have only seen Jesus once before, but here I was face to face with the King of kings. He reached down, put his Hands under the City of Faith, lifted it, and said to me, "See how easy it is for Me to lift it!" (circa 1977)
    And also his fundraiser:

    I want you to use the ORU (Oral Roberts University) medical school to put My medical presence in the earth. I want you to get this going in one year or I will call you home. It will cost $8 million and I want you to believe you can raise it. (Abundant Life, Jan/Feb. 1987)
    He actually said God would kill him if he failed to get that much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 37818 View Post
    Well, I do not know who said that.
    First, God cannot die. Second, the Son of God did die, on the cross, completing the atonement (John 19:28, 30) before He physically died, and then physically died, to be buried and to be risen from the dead as the first immortal man. The Son of God never ceased being God. So as God, did experience death. Now the human nature of Christ can only atone one man for one man, it was in His divine nature that He can atone for all humans. The Son of God is one Person, who is two in nature, both human and God, and those two natures were not and are not mixed. So it is, God never died, the Son of God did, not just the man.
    It was RC Sproul.

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