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Bowe Bergdahl to be charged with desertion
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"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by myth View PostI've discussed this with military friends before. 'Desertion' is much more specific than just quitting the military before your contract is over. From my understanding, there are soldiers in some branches that go AWOL indefinitely all the time while stateside. Most branches will just take some administrative action after a certain period of time and voila, the person is no longer in the military. A lot of times they don't even bother prosecuting. The Marine Corps takes a different stance, though....from what I hear. But just quitting doesn't equal the death penalty, it requires more specific circumstances."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by myth View PostI'm dumbfounded at the White House's logic on this. He left his unit voluntarily, so we're going to free to terrorists to get a deserter back? Sounds rather like we freed terrorists to kidnap a deserter. Epic fail."For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6
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Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View PostAs I recall at the time of the exchange, the White House wanted some good news with a military angle. I don't remember what the bad news at the moment was. So a hasty plan without proper vetting was done and now its biting back.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View PostAs I recall at the time of the exchange, the White House wanted some good news with a military angle. I don't remember what the bad news at the moment was. So a hasty plan without proper vetting was done and now its biting back.
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThey're just a bunch of terrorist like guys who terrorist like things in terrorist like ways but that doesn't make them terrorists. Understand now?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIf you ENLIST, it's not "involuntary". And ENLISTING is entering into a CONTRACT of one's own free will. Do you not believe we should honor contracts we enter into?
Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostBesides, abounding your post, in an area of the world known to capture and kill Americans, doesn't seem to be the best idea there is.
There's also other ways out of the military too, including medical discharges due to 'mental health' or something else like that.
(The law does recognize people who develop conscientious objection during service. But the U.S. only provides such an exception for total pacifists, and not for those who object to particular wars/conflicts as being unjust. And even then I've heard it's very hard to get out on such grounds.)
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Originally posted by Joel View PostDesertion may be imprudent and may be immoral, but that's not what I was talking about. Neither imprudent nor immoral imply "should be illegal".
I've heard stories about people who during their service came to the conclusion that what they military was doing was unjust, and have tried every legal avenue to get out, without success.
(The law does recognize people who develop conscientious objection during service. But the U.S. only provides such an exception for total pacifists, and not for those who object to particular wars/conflicts as being unjust. And even then I've heard it's very hard to get out on such grounds.)Last edited by lilpixieofterror; 01-29-2015, 06:45 PM."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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I recalled and as LPOT said, they can get out under specific conditions. I can't confirm if conscientious objectors can ALWAYS get out of their contracts...if you happen to be a cook, I imagine they may not be in such a hurry to accommodate your request as they would an infantryman or such.
ETA: LPOT gave a better answer.Last edited by DesertBerean; 01-29-2015, 06:45 PM.Watch your links! http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/fa...corumetiquette
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....meh.... I think I have that backwards...they might not move so quickly to let an infantryman go...Watch your links! http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/fa...corumetiquette
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Originally posted by DesertBerean View Post....meh.... I think i have that backwards...they might not move so quickly to let an infantryman go..."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostThan don't sign up for it, if you can't handle that.
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Would you want people to take advantage of the things you offer and not wanting to return what you have given them? The military operates tech schools all over the US and spends a lot of money to train new recruits. They need something back on this investment, so they do things that are in their best interest. Would you spend lots of money to train somebody, just to have them take off on you and leave you footing the bill? I wouldn't, so that is why some avenues are hard to use because they want returns on the time they took to train you.
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