Newsweek gets it wrong

[spiritmech]

Let's say for the sake of argument that bad things are happening at camp X-ray. Let's say those need to be aired. I can give you that. All day and all night and then some.

But a false story, that is so completely false that Newsweek can't even back it up when push comes to shove, hurts the cause of human rights organizations who believe that people are being treated inhumanely.

The fact that the people are being held at camp X-Ray without trial and without the rights of prisoners of war is a far more serious problem, IMO. After that comes the inhumane treatement, physical and mental torture. Somewhere way after that comes annoying them by burning their books.

At least they're still alive. Newsweek lied, people died.
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[spiritmech]

I said that the media knuckles under to corporate and governmental pressure very rapidly, they also lie, deceive, and make stuff up to suit their political agenda. Dan Rather is a good example. Both these characteristics of the mainstream media disgust me.



However, my main point is that this stupid thing was just the trigger. There is an much bigger underlying problem which is not being dealt with- if it was not this incident it would have been something else.

So a news organization can't be troubled to get its facts straight in order to discover the true, underlying reality? Wow, that's deep, man. Really, really, real. If there is an underlying reality, it should be the meatiest, most incontrovertible story ever. It will have such a force that neither side, pro-war, or anti-war, will have the ability to deny it. I don't see that happening. Thank goodness Karl Rove is here to tell us what to believe.
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[EvoUK]

I'm not full on the details, so I can't say for certain whether or not Newsweek did anything unprofessional. For all I know, they could have been following standard procedure, none of the facts are being published yet (they learned from Abu Grabib it seems).

However, I think that the Muslims involved in the violence were being silly sods, and I refuse to shift the responsibility for their actions to Newsweek or to the guy who supposedly did this thing even if the newspeople were acting unprofessionally.

There are instances in which a news organization should be held at fault for throwing gas on a fire, but I will not ask a news organization to censor its reporting in order to keep a few idiot religious zealots happy and content.

[Meh_Gerbil]

And you're said horray that 15 people got killed because some nutters went bonkers over a holy book. You're opinion of me is really going to get to me, I can just tell.

Yes, again just another example of why Secularists in Washington shouldn't be in charge of anything. This is the exact same attitude so many have -- complete dismissal of an entire group of people because they 'go bonkers over a holy book'.

[spiritmech]

I'm not full on the details, so I can't say for certain whether or not Newsweek did anything unprofessional. For all I know, they could have been following standard procedure, none of the facts are being published yet (they learned from Abu Grabib it seems).

However, I think that the Muslims involved in the violence were being silly sods, and I refuse to shift the responsibility for their actions to Newsweek or to the guy who supposedly did this thing even if the newspeople were acting unprofessionally.

There are instances in which a news organization should be held at fault for throwing gas on a fire, but I will not ask a news organization to censor its reporting in order to keep a few idiot religious zealots happy and content.

Well, that's an opinion I hadn't heard yet. Thanks. I'm not being sarcastic.
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[Arnold]

I said that the media knuckles under to corporate and governmental pressure very rapidly, they also lie, deceive, and make stuff up to suit their political agenda. Dan Rather is a good example. Both these characteristics of the mainstream media disgust me.

You still seem to want to cling to this idea that it is somehow W's fault because he has influence over Newsweek. Please provide evidence of this. And don't give me this, "That's not what I siad." It is what you implied by bringing up that Newsweek would "knuckle under when the slightest pressure is applied by this administration."

[Duder]

This is just another blistering example of why Secularlists are comply unqualified to be involved in any facet of government -- except perhaps, the DMV -- where a complete disregard of people is almost expected.

Remeber Waco?

Koresh had this well published apocalyptic message about how the government would one day rise up and try to extinguish the faithful. So Janet Reno, the brilliant mind that she is -- responded by providing the apocalypse that he fortold. Why wouldn't his followers die with him? There were tanks outside just like he had predicted -- wow, he does know the future.

Now we have the government flushing Korans -- and don't doubt it happened because the mindless secularlists we've been raising don't understand the concept of Holy or what it means to actually revere something. The only thing these people get excited about is destroying anything that has meaning.

It is natural for people who don't understand Holiness to think nothing of flushing G_d's Word. Secularists flushed their own humanity a long time ago and regularly participate in every form of evil because nothing really matters for them. Because of this they don't understand the majority of the people that they serve should NOT be in power.

Knuckle-heads.

I side with the terrorists on this one -- HUZZAH for killing 15 people in riots. If we'd of killed 15 people years ago we wouldn't have 1 million innocents dying through abortion every year in this country. Thank G_D there are people out there who still believe in something because the belief in NOTHING is killing everyone in our country.

Hello, MG -

You surprise me. I would not have expected you to say something good about the terrorists, and in a way I agree with you.

What the terrorist does is so wrong that it makes others blind to the true nature of what the terrorist does. I remember President Clinton's press conference where he called the bombing of the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City a cowardly act. Well, it may have been ill-conceived and unspeakably immoral, but it wasn't cowardly. One would have to be an incredibly brave man to do such a thing. The same would have to be said about the men who flew the jet liners into the Twin Towers. You could never say these people were cowards or that they didn't believe in something.

So yes - you gotta have a sneaking admiration for the Koreshes, the McVeighs and the 9-11 kamikazes.

But I hope you don't cross the line of approving what they do. You can admire them and be against them all at the same time. In fact, I think Jesus might have meant something like this when he advised us to "love our enemies".

[EvoUK]

You still seem to want to cling to this idea that it is somehow W's fault because he has influence over Newsweek.

... Eh?

How is fanatical nutters killing 15 people the Chimps fault? The Chimp doesn't interest me, I don't see why you're picking up on such a minor point.

[Arnold]

... Eh?

How is fanatical nutters killing 15 people the Chimps fault? The Chimp doesn't interest me, I don't see why you're picking up on such a minor point.

Then why did you make the accusation? Do you now recant it?

[EvoUK]

Yes, again just another example of why Secularists in Washington shouldn't be in charge of anything. This is the exact same attitude so many have -- complete dismissal of an entire group of people because they 'go bonkers over a holy book'.

I'm not going to let the killing of 15 people go merely because their fanatical sensibilities were hurt. Why on earth would I?

[EvoUK]

Then why did you make the accusation? Do you now recant it?

Of course not- I'm simply asking you what join you're making between the media buckling under corperate and administration pressure and retracting the story, with Bush being to blame for 15 people being killed.

I don't see the link you're making, so see no reason to retract a statement I still hold to.

[Champagne]

I disagree- those people WERE cowards. Blowing up a building full of civilian women and children, crashing a plane full of innocent people - those are acts of cowards.

Brave men stand up and fight like men according to the rules. These people are too cowardly to actually participate in a real fight- instead they stealthily attack innocent civilians when no one expects it, when they know they're not going to have to actually fight and risk getting beaten up and taken prisoner. Blowing yourself up is also cowardly because it's the easy way out for these people. They think they'll be rewarded in heaven, that their families and others left behind will somehow call them heroes.

[Arnold]

Of course not- I'm simply asking you what join you're making between the media buckling under corperate and administration pressure and retracting the story, with Bush being to blame for 15 people being killed.

I don't see the link you're making, so see no reason to retract a statement I still hold to.

By making that accusation it implies that W is covering up the truth by ordering Newsweek to retract the story. Do you realize that the Mullas that have called for a Jihad against America over this incident are saying exactly what you are saying?

What does that make you?

[FirstSunday33ad]

I'm not going to let the killing of 15 people go merely because their fanatical sensibilities were hurt. Why on earth would I?

Newsweek should have known the reaction the story would cause in the Arab world and triple checked the accuracy of the story before deciding to print it. After all we are talking about a part of the world where a riot raged for three days because the Israelis opened a tunnel in the Temple Mount. There was a major riot in Pakistan over a pair of Nike shoes - the swoop logo looked like the Arabic word for "Allah". Khaddafi decided to make a movie about the founding of Islam called "The Prophet"; before filming began the production company was very careful to have leading Imams read the script and oversee the production. When word was released that the film was being made, riots lasted three weeks and dozens were killed - they thought Hollywood was making the movie.

Newsweek had a responsibility to know the hair-trigger attitude that Muslims have towards the west and Islam and that "protests" in the Arab world routinely end in death. This is especially true today and it shouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why.

Someone should go to jail for this.

[Pilgrim]

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