The Criminalization of Christianity

[Jack777]

Anyone read The Criminalization of Christianity Janet Folger? I think that the Culture Wars should be taken more seriously as those who want to rid the planet of Christians such as George Soros are serious.



Someone said I am paranoid another unreasonable, am I? I would like to hear from people familiar with this book especially.

[Amazing Rando]

Dude- even if the government went and made being Christianity illegal, so what? What would be so bad about that happening? The Romans tried it for the first three centuries of the church's existance, and it didn't kill the church. What's the big deal?

[Jack777]

True.

To me it would not matter in that sense.

I would just like to see my country avoid judgment and I am curious. As long as I live in country where there is freedom, I think I should help to preserve it by speaking out. I also agree with the Bible that we should not wish for judgment.
Also, if the bottom falls out, it will affect people. I do not think we should just yawn and act as if evil is a-okay.

[Da Blonde]

Anyone read The Criminalization of Christianity[/font][font=Verdana] Janet Folger?

I was just reading Robert Boston's Close Encounters with the Religious Right: Journeys into the Twilight Zone of Religion and Politics and saw where he mentioned Folger as an aide to D. James Kennedy. Boston attended one of Kennedy's "conferences" and remarked on Folger's performances: "I was reminded of the utter lack of a sense of humor that many religious right activists have. One of the [video] clips [from a session called 'The assault on Christianity'] was...Bart Simpson trying to get out of trouble by insisting he hadn't been misbehaving, in fact, he had been reading the Bible. To the religious right this is an all-out war on Christianity."

I'd heard of her before but I got her mixed up with Janet Parschall. both are functionaries of the right-wing hyperbole machine and there's plenty of wowsers out there buying what they're selling.

[Epoetker]

If the government declares war on Christianity...last I checked, the Christians still have most of the guns, make up most of the military grunts, the police forces, etc.

I mean, unless the judges are going to be given command of a fleet of assassin droids, this isn't going to work out very well for them.

[C. D. Ward]

I mean, unless the judges are going to be given command of a fleet of assassin droids, this isn't going to work out very well for them.

[Jack777]

Interesting the take on both sides of the fence about different people. The Death Culture does not like D. James Kennedy or Janet Parcshall or Bush, the Culture of Life does. This is a consistent pattern. I understand that what is satire and can be considered neutral or speak to something different than how it is taken occurs, on BOTH sides. I will stick with Life though.

[jason]

I mean, unless the judges are going to be given command of a fleet of assassin droids, this isn't going to work out very well for them.

I concur with CD.



Jason

[ilkhani'tus]

Interesting the take on both sides of the fence about different people. The Death Culture does not like D. James Kennedy or Janet Parcshall or Bush, the Culture of Life does. This is a consistent pattern. I understand that what is satire and can be considered neutral or speak to something different than how it is taken occurs, on BOTH sides. I will stick with Life though.

One thing that really helps the debate is referring to the side that opposed yours as "The Death Culture" while labelling your side "The Culture of Life".

Why are the "liberals" complaining about the american and iraqui casualties in the war if they're included in "The Death Culture"?

EDIT: I figure the was was maybe a "necessary evil" but I'm referring to the "liberal" crowd in general, not myself with that example.

[jason]

Why are the "liberals" complaining about the american and iraqui casualties in the war if they're included in "The Death Culture"?

Because they support ideas that devalue human life and render it disposable. That there exists lives that are not worth living.

In case you don't know what I am referring too, think, abortion, euthanasia and stem cell research. They are all spin offs of an underlying principle that human beings are human because of some function they possess and not by nature.

Unfortunately, if history teaches us anything, the last time we went down that road we got death camps and the holocaust.

Jason

[Champagne]

So then I suppose conservatives view war casualties and death penalty sufferers as people whose lives weren't worth living as well.

Saying one side is the "culture of life" while the other is the "culture of death" espouses a kindergarten mentality where everything neatly lines up on one side or the other.

Both sides are guilty of not acknowledging their own forms of disrespect for life.

[jason]

So then I suppose conservatives view war casualties and death penalty sufferers as people whose lives weren't worth living as well.

The war casulties comment is entirely a red herring because they are not intentionally killed. As for the death penalty, the criminal in question is being killed because they have commited a crime. The death penalty is instituted typically because the crime is so henious that that is the only appropriate punishment. And biblically the criminals blood is on their own head, they are not being killed by the state for the commision of a crime, but in the act of commiting the crime they are effectivly killing themselves.

Both of these are radically different from butchering or starving and dehydrating the most vulnerable people in society because they are in the way or otherwise not deemed worth living.

Jason

[Champagne]

Uh, my brother is a Navy SEAL and let me tell you, he's purposely killed people in Iraq, and not just in self defense either. I wasn't talking about "collateral damage," I'm talking war casualties, which means the dead and wounded who were actually fighting. When we go to war, we go to kill, if you think anything else you're living in a sanitized fantasyland.

When our soldiers go to war, they kill a lot of soldiers whose "crime" is simply being on the other side, and a lot of our guys are killed as well, did they "deserve" it?

You also ignore the fact that we know of at least 12 innocent men who were released from death row here where I live in Illinois- that's just in one state and in one period of time. Who knows how many innocent men have died in this manner?

Additionally, I am sure a certain percentage of embryos/fetuses aborted would have grown up to be criminals, and, apparently, then "deserving" of death. It would have been better for Hitler to have been aborted, right?

Once humans start drawing the line as to which lives are deserving of death and which ones are not, we are playing God. It seems easy to see that in cases of abortion and assisted suicide. Why is it so hard to see that in death penalty cases and in war in general? Why are there standards for a "just war"? Why is the Catholic church against the death penalty as well as abortion?

If one calls oneself "Pro-Life," anything less than strict adherence to the sanctity of life makes one a hypocrite.

[Da Blonde]

The anti-abortion and anti-stem cell research movements hardly represent a culture of life. More like a culture of self-righteousness.

[Jack777]

Defending the country is not what I mean. There are plenty of conservatives on the Death Culture side, just not as many.