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    Iceland building first temple to Norse gods in 1,000 years

    One for Boxing Pythagoras,

    Source: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/a-new-guard-for-asgard-iceland-building-first-temple-to-norse-gods-in-1000-years/article22743857/

    Icelanders will soon be able to publicly worship at a shrine to Thor, Odin and Frigg with construction starting this month on the island’s first major temple to the Norse gods since the Viking age. Worship of the gods in Scandinavia gave way to Christianity around 1,000 years ago but a modern version of Norse paganism has been gaining popularity in Iceland. “I don’t believe anyone believes in a one-eyed man who is riding about on a horse with eight feet,” said Hilmar Orn Hilmarsson, high priest of Asatruarfelagid, an association that promotes faith in the Norse gods. “We see the stories as poetic metaphors and a manifestation of the forces of nature and human psychology.”

    Membership in Asatruarfelagid has tripled in Iceland in the last decade to 2,400 members last year, out of a total population of 330,000, data from Statistics Iceland showed. The temple will be circular and will be dug four metres down into a hill overlooking the Icelandic capital, Reykjavik, with a dome on top to let in the sunlight. “The sun changes with the seasons so we are in a way having the sun paint the space for us,” Hilmarsson said.

    The temple will host ceremonies such as weddings and funerals. The group will also confer names to children and initiate teenagers, similar to other religious communities. Iceland’s neo-pagans still celebrate the ancient sacrificial ritual of Blot with music, reading, eating and drinking, but nowadays leave out the slaughter of animals.

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    Yes, let's have priests and temples dedicated to natural phenomenon not regarded as persons. Totally not a waste of our time or resources.

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    “I don’t believe anyone believes in a one-eyed man who is riding about on a horse with eight feet,” said Hilmar Orn Hilmarsson
    What about one foot?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrift View Post
    One for Boxing Pythagoras,

    Source: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/a-new-guard-for-asgard-iceland-building-first-temple-to-norse-gods-in-1000-years/article22743857/

    Icelanders will soon be able to publicly worship at a shrine to Thor, Odin and Frigg with construction starting this month on the island’s first major temple to the Norse gods since the Viking age. Worship of the gods in Scandinavia gave way to Christianity around 1,000 years ago but a modern version of Norse paganism has been gaining popularity in Iceland. “I don’t believe anyone believes in a one-eyed man who is riding about on a horse with eight feet,” said Hilmar Orn Hilmarsson, high priest of Asatruarfelagid, an association that promotes faith in the Norse gods. “We see the stories as poetic metaphors and a manifestation of the forces of nature and human psychology.”

    Membership in Asatruarfelagid has tripled in Iceland in the last decade to 2,400 members last year, out of a total population of 330,000, data from Statistics Iceland showed. The temple will be circular and will be dug four metres down into a hill overlooking the Icelandic capital, Reykjavik, with a dome on top to let in the sunlight. “The sun changes with the seasons so we are in a way having the sun paint the space for us,” Hilmarsson said.

    The temple will host ceremonies such as weddings and funerals. The group will also confer names to children and initiate teenagers, similar to other religious communities. Iceland’s neo-pagans still celebrate the ancient sacrificial ritual of Blot with music, reading, eating and drinking, but nowadays leave out the slaughter of animals.

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    I wouldn't be surprised if this was meant more as a tourist attraction than anything else. Then again, what do you expect from a country that actually delays construction of a major road because it might adversely affect Huldufólk (hidden elves -- kinda like leprechauns)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrift View Post
    One for Boxing Pythagoras,

    Source: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/a-new-guard-for-asgard-iceland-building-first-temple-to-norse-gods-in-1000-years/article22743857/

    Icelanders will soon be able to publicly worship at a shrine to Thor, Odin and Frigg with construction starting this month on the island’s first major temple to the Norse gods since the Viking age. Worship of the gods in Scandinavia gave way to Christianity around 1,000 years ago but a modern version of Norse paganism has been gaining popularity in Iceland. “I don’t believe anyone believes in a one-eyed man who is riding about on a horse with eight feet,” said Hilmar Orn Hilmarsson, high priest of Asatruarfelagid, an association that promotes faith in the Norse gods. “We see the stories as poetic metaphors and a manifestation of the forces of nature and human psychology.”

    Membership in Asatruarfelagid has tripled in Iceland in the last decade to 2,400 members last year, out of a total population of 330,000, data from Statistics Iceland showed. The temple will be circular and will be dug four metres down into a hill overlooking the Icelandic capital, Reykjavik, with a dome on top to let in the sunlight. “The sun changes with the seasons so we are in a way having the sun paint the space for us,” Hilmarsson said.

    The temple will host ceremonies such as weddings and funerals. The group will also confer names to children and initiate teenagers, similar to other religious communities. Iceland’s neo-pagans still celebrate the ancient sacrificial ritual of Blot with music, reading, eating and drinking, but nowadays leave out the slaughter of animals.

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    This is probably a dry run. . .
    Source: http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2016/march/sign-of-the-times-temple-of-baal-to-go-up-in-new-york-london/



    A reproduction of the Temple of Baal is coming to New York's Times Square next month as a tribute to the 2,000-year-old original structure that was destroyed by ISIS last year in Palmyra, Syria.

    The reproductions will be made using a 3-D printer, producing a life-size model of the temple's entrance. Officials say those models will be installed in both New York City and London's Trafalgar Square this Spring.

    What actually happened historically at the Temple of Baal? Dr. Corne Bekker, with Regent University, explains.

    Promoting a False God?

    Many are speaking out against putting up a monument in honor of a temple that promoted worship of a false god.

    In an article for World Net Daily, Matt Barber explains some of the elements of Baal worship.

    "Ritualistic Baal worship, in sum, looked a little like this: Adults would gather around the altar of Baal. Infants would then be burned alive as a sacrificial offering to the deity. Amid horrific screams and the stench of charred human flesh, congregants – men and women alike – would engage in bisexual orgies," Barber wrote.

    "The ritual of convenience was intended to produce economic prosperity by prompting Baal to bring rain for the fertility of 'mother earth,'" he explained.

    A Mirror of Modern Society

    He goes on to point out how some of those elements are being mirrored in society today.

    "Modern liberalism deviates little from its ancient predecessor. While its macabre rituals have been sanitized with flowery and euphemistic terms of art, its core tenets and practices remain eerily similar," he said.

    "Bar the worship of "fertility" has been replaced with worship of 'reproductive freedom' or 'choice.' Child sacrifice via burnt offering has been updated, ever so slightly, to become child sacrifice by way of abortion," he concluded.

    But supporters of the reproductions to go up in New York and London say it is an attempt to "preserve history."

    "We hope it is viewed as a constructive response to what has happened there," said Roger Michel, executive director for the Institute for Digital Archaeology.

    The original temple attracted 150,000 tourists a year until 2011 when the Syrian civil war began.

    The Institute for Digital Archaeology hopes to construct approximately 1,000 versions of the arch to be placed in cities around the world.

    Christian sites are also among the many antiquities destroyed by the Islamic State.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arnoldo View Post
    This is probably a dry run. . .
    Source: http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2016/march/sign-of-the-times-temple-of-baal-to-go-up-in-new-york-london/



    A reproduction of the Temple of Baal is coming to New York's Times Square next month as a tribute to the 2,000-year-old original structure that was destroyed by ISIS last year in Palmyra, Syria.

    The reproductions will be made using a 3-D printer, producing a life-size model of the temple's entrance. Officials say those models will be installed in both New York City and London's Trafalgar Square this Spring.

    What actually happened historically at the Temple of Baal? Dr. Corne Bekker, with Regent University, explains.

    Promoting a False God?

    Many are speaking out against putting up a monument in honor of a temple that promoted worship of a false god.

    In an article for World Net Daily, Matt Barber explains some of the elements of Baal worship.

    "Ritualistic Baal worship, in sum, looked a little like this: Adults would gather around the altar of Baal. Infants would then be burned alive as a sacrificial offering to the deity. Amid horrific screams and the stench of charred human flesh, congregants – men and women alike – would engage in bisexual orgies," Barber wrote.

    "The ritual of convenience was intended to produce economic prosperity by prompting Baal to bring rain for the fertility of 'mother earth,'" he explained.

    A Mirror of Modern Society

    He goes on to point out how some of those elements are being mirrored in society today.

    "Modern liberalism deviates little from its ancient predecessor. While its macabre rituals have been sanitized with flowery and euphemistic terms of art, its core tenets and practices remain eerily similar," he said.

    "Bar the worship of "fertility" has been replaced with worship of 'reproductive freedom' or 'choice.' Child sacrifice via burnt offering has been updated, ever so slightly, to become child sacrifice by way of abortion," he concluded.

    But supporters of the reproductions to go up in New York and London say it is an attempt to "preserve history."

    "We hope it is viewed as a constructive response to what has happened there," said Roger Michel, executive director for the Institute for Digital Archaeology.

    The original temple attracted 150,000 tourists a year until 2011 when the Syrian civil war began.

    The Institute for Digital Archaeology hopes to construct approximately 1,000 versions of the arch to be placed in cities around the world.

    Christian sites are also among the many antiquities destroyed by the Islamic State.

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    There's a few inaccuracies in that report. It's not actually a reproduction of the entire temple, just the surviving arch of the temple. I can't find anything from any reputable source about 1,000s of versions of the arch being placed in cities around the world. Matt Barber, Dr. Corne Bekker, Regent University, The Christian Broadcasting Network, and World Net Daily are all hardly the most reputable sources, and I imagine the description of ritualistic Baal worship offered is based more in imagination than reality. While child sacrifice was likely practiced, and I don't fully doubt that sex magic was also practiced, some scholars like William Dever, an archaeologist who specializes in the ancient Near East, finds little evidence (outside of a few foreign writings) for the claims of orgies, or even cultic temple prostitution.

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    Wow, don't know how I missed this thread last year, but now that it's been necro'd...

    Quote Originally Posted by arnoldo View Post
    This is probably a dry run. . .
    You realize that Baal worship and the Norse religion were separated by about 1000 years and 2000 miles, right? And that they have absolutely nothing to do with one another? I'm honestly curious as to why you thought this relevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boxing Pythagoras View Post
    . . .You realize that Baal worship and the Norse religion were separated by about 1000 years and 2000 miles, right? And that they have absolutely nothing to do with one another? I'm honestly curious as to why you thought this relevant.
    There is a same spirit behind pagan religions (see: 2 Corinthians 4:4). Hence, the following.

    Source: http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/normyth.html/


    A Migration of the Goths

    The Prophet Esdras gave us still another solid clue in tracing Israel's northern trek when he said that they "passed through the narrow entrances of the Euphrates River." (verse 43). This refers to the head-waters of the Euphrates, which were toward the north, in northern Mesopotamia. In fact, rivers always flow from north to south in the northern hemisphere.

    So we know two things for sure about the land to which the Israelites migrated: it was northward toward the Caucasus and Europe, and it was a remote wilderness. As the late Bible scholar, Dr. Pascoe Goard, has stated, "We know sufficient of the history of all the territory south of the Caucasus to be able to say that they could find no such unsettled land there. But plains, forests and river valleys of Europe still remained which had not even been explored in the days of Herodotus, three and a half centuries later. To that country they took their way." ("Post- captivity Names of Israel," p. 35) Remember that Esdras said they traveled to "a more remote region," a wilderness and that this journey was a long one over a great distance, requiring "a year and a half' of travel.

    Yes, northward from the upper reaches of the Assyrian Empire was the wilderness of Europe, and there is a river Sereth in southeastern Europe even today. Over six centuries after their dispersion, the Jewish historian Flavius Josephus wrote, "The ten tribes did not return to Palestine ... There are but two tribes in Asia and Europe subject to the Romans, while the ten tribes are beyond the Euphrates till now, and are an immense multitude." Cos. Antiq., Ch. 11, pp. 2, 5) The lost ten tribes were no longer in Palestine, and were outside the realm of the Roman Empire. Even though Israel had been hidden in the wilderness for six centuries when Josephus wrote, he informs us that they were an identifiable people and a great multitude which no man could number.

    Where else in the annals of history is there a record of nearly an entire nation suddenly converging on a wilderness? Only the migrations of the Anglo-Saxon-Gothic tribes into early Europe, that land "where never mankind dwelt," (II Esdras 13:41) can fit the picture, and that occurred at the very time that Israel was dispersed and became lost to history. The Angles, Saxons, Celts, and Goths, who overspread Europe, are said to have originated in the region of Medo-Persia, about 700 B.C., the very time and place in which the nation of Israel was lost to history.

    The early Christian church noted a remarkable fact. There was a distinct resemblance between ancient Israel's religion and that of the early inhabitants of Europe. Early Christian writers used the Latin phrase, "Preparacio Evangelica " meaning that European mythology constituted a good "Preparation for the Gospel". We now know why Norse mythology, Celtic Druidism, and Greek mythology all bear such striking similarities to the Old Testament - it's simply because these peoples were the physical descendants of ancient Israelites who migrated to Europe in ancient times, bringing deep-rooted traces of their religion with them when they came.



    Thor slaying serpent (Gen.3:15)

    But other amazing parallels exist, as well. There was also an uncanny resemblance to ancient Canaanite religion, since ancient Israel corrupted themselves with that form of worship, according to the Bible account. In addition to that, early European mythology also bears traces of the religious customs of the Babylonians and Assyrians as you might expect, since these peoples exerted some influence when they brought Israel in captivity out of Palestine. Let's see how history offers proof of both Biblical and Babylonian influence among the people of early Europe.

    The central figure of Norse Mythology is the hero known as ODIN. He is believed to he an historic figure, the king who led his tribes northwestward from their former residence in a city called Asgard to their new home in Western Europe. Asgard literally means "city of God," and perhaps by implication, "the city of God's people." Although it has never been identified by archaeologists, it is believed to have been located either in southern Russia or Northern Assyria, placing it in the region where the ten tribes were lost to history. After Odin's death, his great deeds were expanded until he took on godhood in the folk memory of the people. But it is important to note that the name "Odin" shows unmistakable evidence of a Babylonian origin.

    Alexander Hislop in his book, "The Two Babylons," gives us a definite connection between Odin and the Middle East. ODIN was the great Norse war god. The Assyrians and Babylonians also had a war god known as 'ADON,' and the Greeks later had a god named 'ADONIS,' as well. The Babylonish Adon was the god of WINE. In the NORSE ELDER EDDA we are told that Odin ate no food but wine: "The illustrious father of armies, with his own hand, fattens his two wolves, but the victorious Odin takes no other nourishment to himself than what arises from the unintermittent quaffing of wine. For 'tis with WINE ALONE that Odin in arms renowned is nourished forever."

    It has also been established that the Norse religion involved worship in sacred groves, which were trees planted to simulate the walls of a temple. The Canaanites, too, had sacred groves for worship, and the disobedient nation of Israel had adopted this form of worship at the outset of their wanderings out of Palestine.

    But the similarity between middle-eastern and Norse mythology does not end there. One of Odin's sons in Norse mythology was called, 'BALDER,' which Hislop states comes from the Chaldee form of "Baal- zer", meaning the SEED OF BAAL. Quoting Alexander Hislop, 'The Hebrew z, as is well known, frequently, in the later Chaldee, becomes d. Now, Baal and Adon both alike signify 'master' or 'lord;' and, therefore, if Balder be admitted to be the seed or son of Baal, that is as much as to say that he is the son of Adon, and, consequently Adon and Odin must be the same.'

    The name of Odin's other well-known son is THOR. Again to quote Mr. Hislop: "Now as Odin had a son called Thor, so the second Assyrian Adon had a son called THOUROS (Cedrenus, vol. 1, p. 29). The name Thouros seems just to be another form of Zoro, or Doro, meaning 'the seed.'" So, as Professor Hislop points out, Odin's son, Thor, is an exact parallel to the Assyrian god Adon's son Thouros. Quite an amazing similarity! (Lexicon, pars 1, p. 93: 'The D is often pronounced as Th,. Adon in the pointed Hebrew, being Athon. ")

    It is extremely doubtful that all of this parallel detail could be mere happenstance. A very definite cultural connection somehow took place between the ancient Assyrians and Babylonians and the early European Norse. Yet another author lends credence to this, the professor Hans Gunther, in his book, "Religious Attitudes of the Indo-Europeans." He finds much to admire in the Norse mythology, yet is led to admit that, "one perceives in him (Odin) the voice of an alien non-Nordic race."( Page 11) Professor Gunther goes an to associate certain aspects of Norse mythology with Babylon. (page 57)



    Yet one more proof of a connection between the Norse and the ancient Canaanites should be noted: the evidence we have of human sacrifice. For although human sacrifice appears to have been unknown in the British isles, it was definitely practiced in early days on the continent of Europe by the Celts.

    But it is appropriate at this point to show that there are also some undeniably distinct similarities between Norse religion and that of the ancient Israelites. In fact, from the Norse sagas we learn many facts which lead to a comparison of both God, and God in the flesh, Immanuel, Jesus Christ. The tribes of Israel, at the time of their dispersion, would have been familiar with the Old Testament prophecies of a coming Messiah. Many of these ancient beliefs could have remained with them in their traditions after their dispersion from Palestine.

    Thor

    So let's compare Bible prophecies with some of the basic beliefs cherished by the early Norse.

    The Norse myths recount a remarkable story of the deluge, which differs from the Bible in that the flood was said to he caused by the blood of a slain giant. However, in Genesis 6, verse 4, the Bible does speak about the Nephilim, or giants, during the account of the flood. In the Norse account, the world is wiped out in this catastrophe, with the exception of one household who escaped on a skiff or boat, and from whom is descended the new race from which the god Odin came.

    Odin is also called the 'RAFNAGUD,' or Raven-god, because he is said to have two ravens named Hugin and Munin which he sends out into the world each day, returning at nightfall to tell him what they observed. Quoting the Norse Elder Edda,

    "Hugin and Munin Fly each day

    Over the spacious earth

    I fear for Hugin

    That he come not back

    Yet more anxious am I for Munin."

    Odin

    This bears an unmistakable similarity with the account in Genesis chapter eight of Noah sending two birds out into the world, one of them the raven which Noah was anxious for, because he did not return.

    There are many other interesting legends in the Norse sagas, such as Thor conquering a serpent-monster, while dying in the process. (see illustration) This was prophesied of Israel's Messiah in GENESIS 3:15, who conquered the serpent's seed by his own death. Other Norse religious traditions come from the Old Testament, as well. Odin is referred to as 'the law-giver' This is a title our heavenly father, Yahweh, could well claim, who gave Moses upon Mount Sinai the laws for the nation.

    Another important Norse god was LOKI the author of all evil, who was said to have originated in a land to the south. This may well be Israel's remembrance of the Edomites of Palestine. An interesting parallel exists between Loki who is said to lead the forces of evil in the last great battle in Norse mythology, and the Edomites of Bible prophecy at the end of the age. In Ezekiel chapters 35 to 39, at the last great battle, the Edomites (also known as "Mt. Seir" or "ldumea") are prominent in the forces of evil which come against God's Israel.

    The number twelve also must have been held in sacred significance to the Norse, for we read in the book, "Germanic Origins" that Odin arrived in Svithoid, or Seythia, with twelve chief priests. The presence of these twelve priests corresponds representatively to the twelve original tribal patriarchs of Israel.

    Early Norse scholar, Snorri Sturluson, translator of many ancient Scandinavian legends, compiled the HEIMSKRINGLA, OR HOME CHRONICLES. He says that just before Odin died he let himself be marked or wounded with a spear-point and that he was the owner of all men slain with weapons, and would go to Godheim (the world of the gods) and there welcome his friends. The comparisons with the Bible are again unmistakable. The Old Testament contains over one hundred prophecies relating to the coming of our God in the flesh, our 'Immanuel,' or "God with us." We find many of these in Norse mythology transferred to the character, Odin. In our Bibles we read that our coming God was to be SACRIFICED, (Zechariah 13:7), that he was to he PIERCED (Zechariah 12:10), but would have NO BROKEN BONES (Psalm 34:20, and Exodus 12:46 where Passover is a type of Christ). And whereas our Saviour was sacrificed on the tree (in I Peter 2:23, the word translated "cross" literally means a tree) for nine hours (Psalm 22 and Matthew 27:46), Odin is said to have hung on a tree for nine days. Compare those Bible prophecies with these lines from the Norse Elder Edda:

    "1 know that 1 hung

    On a wind-rocked tree

    Nine whole nights,

    With a spear wounded

    And to Odin offered

    Myself to myself."

    The Norse legends prominently refer to the end-times. They say that in the end of the world a great battle called Gotterdammerung, or the "Twilight of the gods," will take place between the forces of good and evil. In this great battle, all of the forces of good will be killed except for one called the 'All-father.'



    This brings us to our most important point. "Bulfinch's Mythology" states that "the Scandinavians had an idea of a deity superior to Odin, uncreated and eternal," which they called the Alfadur or 'ALL-FATHER.' For although the Norse mythology allows for a pantheon of gods, yet only ONE GOD is said to be immortal. Thor, Odin, and the others are mortal and die at some point in the sagas.

    But above Odin was said to be the one eternal true God - unnamed except to be called the "All-father," meaning the "ever-lasting father," as he is called in our Bibles in ISAIAH 9:6 and other places. In the original language of the Old Testament, God's name was YAHWEH, which Ferrar Fenton translates as meaning, "the Ever-Living." The Norse called the 'All-father' by no other name, believing that his personal name was too sacred to be spoken, although they apparently didn't have any memory or record of what that name was. Compare this with the actions of the few Israelites of the House of Judah who returned to Palestine and removed God's name, YAHWEH, from our Bibles, believing it too sacred to be spoken. Yes, I am convinced that although the Norse mythology was corrupted with the religion of Assyria and Canaan, yet the proofs are there that they were indeed "the people of the Book."

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