May 25th 2005, 12:50 PM #1
Another non-embryonic stem cell cure. Still waiting for embryonic stem cell cures.
Umbilical Cord Blood Stem Cells Cure Babies With Krabbe’s Disease
Oh, I'm sure that embryonic stem cell research will eventually catch up. We just gotta keep throwing money at it despite the lack of any progress in discovering cures.GONE FOR GOOD BECAUSE THE MODS ARE FRICKIN' RETARDS
May 25th 2005, 04:50 PM #2
Re: Another non-embryonic stem cell cure. Still waiting for embryonic stem cell cureOriginally posted by The Laughing Man
May 25th 2005, 04:53 PM #3
Re: Another non-embryonic stem cell cure. Still waiting for embryonic stem cell cureOriginally posted by patteeu"Dictatorship naturally arises out of democracy, and the most aggravated form of tyranny and slavery out of the most extreme liberty." Plato
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May 25th 2005, 11:27 PM #4
Re: Another non-embryonic stem cell cure. Still waiting for embryonic stem cell cures.Originally posted by The Laughing Man
May 26th 2005, 12:11 AM #5
Re: Another non-embryonic stem cell cure. Still waiting for embryonic stem cell cures.
Shocking stuff- embryonic stem cells have more initial problems associated with them, so it takes longer for research to be carried out with their very limited american budget, not to mention the stock of embryonic stem cells they have access to. Who would have seen that happening?
Though it will be amusing to see in a few years america being the consumer, and not main producers, of this technology. Ah well, what can yeh do?If triangles had a God, He'd have three sides.
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What did THAT big bang create..?
Did it create anything at all..?
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May 26th 2005, 12:17 AM #6
Re: Another non-embryonic stem cell cure. Still waiting for embryonic stem cell cures.Originally posted by sixfootsvn
Unfortunately, the further back in the developmental stages you go, the less useful those cells become for treating illnesses in adults. They're obeying a set of instructions for developing a new human being, not for curing some as-yet-unspecified disease that would only affect the present human being 10, 20 years in the future.
We've had plenty of fun in biology injecting ESCs into mice and such-amazing how those undifferentiated cells can grow clumps of skin, hair, and teeth where they wouldn't even have been imagined before. I'm guessing the lack of a good amniotic extracellular environment throws the development off, so instead of having cute little baby mice budding off of the skin a la Gremlins, it's more like the tortured meld of the failed Ripleys in Alien Resurrection.
Such grotesqueries might have been merely the subject of academic jesting among bio TAs and RAs, but for the fact that we very foolishly decided to try the same thing out on a human. Nice having those clumps of skin, bone and hair forming right in the middle of your brain, ain't it?
Ah, but of course, the progress of science demands that we make such sacrifices, does it not? We refine our method, try another patient, if s/he dies from such a very predictable tumor overload, we refine it again, lather, rinse off blood from hands, repeat.
All despite the fact that adult stem cells have had no such track record-again, a very predictable result given what we know about them-they've already been differentiated, they've already stopped processing the instructions to create a new human being and started the cellular instructions to maintain an existing human. That's why they're so useful...and abundant, too. And quite often you can get them right from the patient him/herself-which negates all sorts of nasty immune-system-rejection issues.
The ESCR movement is about our ignorance of basic biology combined with our irrational fear of death and disease, which leads to blind faith in scientists, even to the point of selling out our basic ethical principles.
By all means, support ESCR if you still believe it will be helpful to humanity in the long run. But please tell me how you could do so and not support, say, studying Josef Mengele's well-written notes of his 'medical experiments' on Jews, or doing similar medical testing on prisoners, the retarded, and other 'undesirables' (meaning of term subject to change without notice.) Otherwise I'm going to call you the medical chickenhawk you are, only holding to your grand principles when someone else has to do the dirty work, suffer the mistakes, and dispose of the evidence.In reaction to Richwine Affair, all right-thinking people are quick to proclaim that they don’t believe in a genetic basis for IQ. They’re much less quick to explain – with any sort of precision – what they actually do believe in. At best, we’re treated to some hand-waving paired with the phrase “social construct.”.
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