Baptists aren't Protestants?

[Jaltus]

Anabaptism has roots older than some are allowing. Remember that there was an anabaptistic controversy in the 200s due to the mass "apostasy" during periods of persecution and the original need to rebaptize covered those who had "left" the church during this time.

[Amazing Rando]

Anabaptism has roots older than some are allowing. Remember that there was an anabaptistic controversy in the 200s due to the mass "apostasy" during periods of persecution and the original need to rebaptize covered those who had "left" the church during this time.

You sure about that? I don't recall any calls to rebaptize those who had denied the faith during the years of persecution (and I say this as a genuine Anabaptist myself!). Can you point me to any discussion in the Church Fathers from that era?

[One Bad Pig]

You sure about that? I don't recall any calls to rebaptize those who had denied the faith during the years of persecution (and I say this as a genuine Anabaptist myself!). Can you point me to any discussion in the Church Fathers from that era?

Perhaps Jaltus is referring to the Donatists (4th century, not 3rd).

[Amazing Rando]

Maybe- though I'm not sure if the Donatists practiced rebaptizing. I thought he was referring to the 3rd century controversy involving those who had renounced the faith rather than be killed by the imperial persecutions. Cyprian had a lot to say on that one about extending grace to those who had succumbed under pressure.

[One Bad Pig]

Maybe- though I'm not sure if the Donatists practiced rebaptizing. I thought he was referring to the 3rd century controversy involving those who had renounced the faith rather than be killed by the imperial persecutions. Cyprian had a lot to say on that one about extending grace to those who had succumbed under pressure.

The Donatists held that the Catholic church had perished, and required Catholics who wished to join them to be rebaptized.

[Jluk]

Guys, why is everyone so concerned with denomination? Shouldnt we be more concerned with saving people that dont know our redempter Jesus Christ? Shouldnt we have more post talking about how to engage those who do not know Jesus?

[undead]

I doubt that there are any true protestant churches outside of the Free Presbyterian church of Northern Ireland and "God hates fags" etc.

Protestant means "protest". If you are not protesting against Catholicism, or something else, then you are not "protestant" no matter whom you claim descent from.

As for Baptist churches, I don't hear much protest from them about anything these days.

[ravenlorre]

Why do so many people want to distance themselves from Protestantism? The fact is, like it or not - if you accept Luther's doctrine of sola scriptura (and if you do not, you are either Catholic or some offshoot of Protestantism like LDS or JWs) then you are a Protestant.

If it quacks like a duck......

blessings

[One Bad Pig]

Why do so many people want to distance themselves from Protestantism? The fact is, like it or not - if you accept Luther's doctrine of sola scriptura (and if you do not, you are either Catholic or some offshoot of Protestantism like LDS or JWs) then you are a Protestant.

If it quacks like a duck......

blessings

Perhaps because they'd rather be identified as standing for something rather than against? Anyway, I'm Orthodox now rather than Baptist.

[pablo]

you must all know that catholicism is not the only one Christian denomination here on earth and to think that all the church (which they call themself Christians) outside catholicism are protestants nor came from protestantism nor born from reformation. the problem is RC is so successfull that they manage to embed to many people mind that if your not a catholic, you must be a protestant.

there are churches which, in anyhow, they were not involved in catholicism even from the time when constantine called a national meeting of all religion to unite all religions in his empire just to save his power. that is the very reason why even after the roman empire converted to Christianity (as they said), they still persecuting alot of Christians that are not involve in they newly founded Christian denomination which they latter called catholicism.

if your a Christian, you will not prohibit your men or anyone to read the Bible. but these roman catholicism founded by constantine actually deny his people to read or even to own a Bible. what is in the Bible that they dont want their people to read?

[COPLAND 3]

Christ established the Catholic Church 2000 years ago, not Constantine (rediculous!). Clement of Rome was a Catholic, Ignatius of Antioch was Catholic, as well as the those who taught them such as the 12 Apostles.

It is true that many denominations are not necessarily offshoots from the Reformation in the sense of being in a succession of denominations because some denominations now are Americanized inventions created in someone's home. Anybody can go and start a denomination, many have. But there is one true Church, and that is the Catholic Church, any denomination is an organized religious group that is outside of the Church that Christ established.

[one_lost_coin]

Guys, why is everyone so concerned with denomination? Shouldnt we be more concerned with saving people that dont know our redempter Jesus Christ? Shouldnt we have more post talking about how to engage those who do not know Jesus?

which denominations version of how to be saved?

that's why.

[one_lost_coin]

you must all know that catholicism is not the only one Christian denomination here on earth and to think that all the church (which they call themself Christians) outside catholicism are protestants nor came from protestantism nor born from reformation. the problem is RC is so successfull that they manage to embed to many people mind that if your not a catholic, you must be a protestant.

there are churches which, in anyhow, they were not involved in catholicism even from the time when constantine called a national meeting of all religion to unite all religions in his empire just to save his power. that is the very reason why even after the roman empire converted to Christianity (as they said), they still persecuting alot of Christians that are not involve in they newly founded Christian denomination which they latter called catholicism.

if your a Christian, you will not prohibit your men or anyone to read the Bible. but these roman catholicism founded by constantine actually deny his people to read or even to own a Bible. what is in the Bible that they dont want their people to read?

There are some points here I find very interesting. The Catholic and Orthodox both identify themselves and recognize each other as churches not denominations as each properly has maintained Apostolic Succession and the Seven Sacraments. There are no denominations that can demonstrate Apostolic succession and none that maintain the seven sacraments.

I have always found it interesting that the absence of these two things are unique to communties that established themselves from the 1500's on. Yet are always found in churches that can trace their existance through the actual laying on of hands from the very Apostles who received their commision from Jesus Christ Himself.

You are rather shortsighted with your RC fixation. The Catholic Church is larger than the Church of Rome. There are in fact around 20 churches all that can trace back 2,000 years that make up the Catholic Church all in unity with each other as exemplified by being in unity with the Chair of Peter. only the church at Rome has protestant factions this phenomenon is unknown to the catholic churches of the east and to the orthodox.

As the Christian Church spread throughout the Empire and beyond, five major administrative centers developed into the first Patriarchates: Antioch, Alexandria, Jerusalem, Rome and finally, in the 4th Century, Constantinople. The Bishop at each of these five centers was known as the Patriarch, and the Patriarch of Rome was considered "first among equals" by the others.

I myself am not Roman Catholic but am a Catholic of the Church at Antioch the very one where in Acts they were first called Christian. Yes, it is still alive and well. We are an Eastern Catholic Church in full unity with Rome. There is also another term coined in Antioch attributed to the Bishop of Antioch St. Ignatius, St. Ignatius knew the Apostle John personally and learned the Christian faith straight from St. John's lips. The term he coined was "Catholic".

"Let no one do anything of concern to the Church without the bishop. Let that be considered a valid Eucharist which is celebrated by the bishop or by one whom he ordains [i.e., a presbyter]. Wherever the bishop appears, let the people be there; just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church" - St. Ignatius of Antioch (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 110]).

You may note and should note this is well before Constantine or his father or grandfather were even born.

All Catholic Churches since they all believe the same things they believed 2,000 years ago are truly united to each other today as well as united through time to the church of the first century. I as an eastern catholic can walk into any catholic church to worship, pray, receive the sacraments and listen to the daily readings of the Sacred Scriptures as I often do and they can walk into ours as they often do.

So you say you know of some communities that were not catholic in the first centuries, so does everyone else so did St. John when he wrote 1 John 4:6 We belong to God, and anyone who knows God listens to us, while anyone who does not belong to God refuses to hear us. This is how we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of deceit. There were many heretical groups the gnostics, the arians, the nestorians... to which of these do you refer?

Very much in constrast to what you believe the catholic church reads scripture daily as it has for 2,000 years. Far from being kept from reading the bible it has been in fact continuously read. You can see for yourself walk in to any daily mass and you will hear the large portions set aside for the reading for that day.

The catholic church does very much discourage and frown upon some of the poor translations that existed then and those that exists even today and has and still does reject them as any Christian community should.

[anglicanformary]

Well, according to http://www.yourdictionary.com the term 'protestant' has the following defintions:

1. History: any of the German princes and free cities that formally protested to the Diet of Spires (1529) its decision to uphold the edict of the Diet of Worms against the Reformation.

2a.. any member of the various Christian churches established as a result of the Reformation

2b. loosely any Christian not belonging to the Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox Church

[one_lost_coin]

Well, according to http://www.yourdictionary.com the term 'protestant' has the following defintions:

1. History: any of the German princes and free cities that formally protested to the Diet of Spires (1529) its decision to uphold the edict of the Diet of Worms against the Reformation.

2a.. any member of the various Christian churches established as a result of the Reformation

2b. loosely any Christian not belonging to the Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox Church

I would not consider those definitions adequate. Protestants are a unique occurrence in the western Church. There are no protestant equivalents in the Eastern Church where heresies of that type do not exists.