The Antichrist

[iwayne]

While looking through the newspaper's TV section, I happened to come across the movie End of Days. It was described as follows:

"End of Days * (1999 Horror) Arnold Schwarzenneger, Gabriel Byrne. A man must prevent Satan from siring the Antichrist."

It was hard to resist laughter. Antichrist. Give me a break. Nearly 100% of Christians all over the world haven't a clue about the true meaning of "anti-Christ." Did you notice the way I wrote it? First, without the article. It is not "the" Antichrist, but "an" anti-Christ. Many people could be anti-Christ. Second, the word should always be hyphenated. If it were, there would be less of a tendency to use "the" with it.

Let's begin with some definitions.

The word "christ" is the English translation of the Greek word "christos." The word written in Greek letters looks like this:xristos.

If the New Testament had not been written in Greek we wouldn't even know this word. We wouldn't be calling Christianity Christianity; we'd be calling it Messianity. You see, xristos, is the Greek word for the Hebrew word maschiach, which in English is always translated as Messiah. But whether Greek or Hebrew the word has the same definition: anointed one. All Israelite kings in other words. Anointing with olive oil was a part of the coronation ceremony. This means that all the kings of Israel (and Judah) were Messiahs. As a matter of fact, there was even one dude who was anointed (by Elijah) who wasn't an Israelite at all:

And the LORD said unto him (Elijah), Go, return on thy way to the wilderness of Damascus: and when thou comest, anoint Hazael to be king over Syria.

(I Kings 19:15)

This makes Hazael, a king of Syria, a Messiah, right up there with David, Solomon and all the rest of the kings of Israel (and Judah).

If anyone was an anti-Christ it was Jesus himself. If you read the gospels carefully, you can't help but pick up on the fact that Jesus didn't seem in the least interested in being a Messiah, an anointed king of Israel. It is true that the authors of the gospels seem to have this in mind, but Jesus himself doesn't seem the least bit interested in the position. It's hard to miss the fact that there was always an Israelite around who seemed eager to hail Jesus as the "son of David." Jesus himself, however, never referred to himself this way, much preferring the "son of Man" title. Why?

The answer is very simple, and easy to see if you can get past all of the false teaching that the church has unloaded on you over the years. The church turned Jesus into the Christ. Jesus himself had nothing to do with it. Jesus wanted the return of the kingdom of God. It's what he preached. It's what his mentor, John the Baptist, preached before him. And what is the kingdom of God? It is nothing less than the nation of Israel as it was originally established under Moses.

Jesus emulated Moses, not David. He fasted 40 days and nights like Moses, came down from a mountain transfiguration experience with his face shining just like Moses (who by the way he convened with at the transfiguration), and finally, at the end of his life experienced the same kind of finality that Moses did:

And he buried him (Moses) in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day.


(Deuteronomy 34:6)

The same can be said of Jesus. No one could find his burial place either. Supposedly Joseph of Arimethea placed him in his own tomb, but apparently not, because when Mary Magdalene went to visit on the first day of the week his body wasn't there. And we all know what the church did with that little news item.

Jesus couldn't have cared less about being associated with David (a rapist and a murderer), or any of the other kings of Israel or Judah. That is the reason he never acknowledged the "son of David" epithet. He was never interested in being a Messiah (an anointed human king). The kingdom as it was originally set up under Moses had God for its king. That's why it was called the kingdom of God. There is no way that Jesus wanted to usurp God's right to be the king of his own chosen nation. So Jesus was most definitely anti-human-king, or anti-Christ. "Christ" is an office, like the presidency. That is why we should always say Jesus the Christ, not Jesus Christ, any more than we'd say Washington President, but Washington the President. Jesus would not have wanted such an office, nor did he ever promote the idea of one. Do you know why? Because no such office existed in the original kingdom! The office of "Christ" is a human invention, not something that God came up with. Jesus wanted it to be like it was in the beginning, under Moses, when God was the king. There were twelve tribes with judges in place over each of them to administer the laws given by God, i.e., to make sure God's will was being done on the earth as it was in heaven, which is what Jesus admonished his disciples to pray on a daily basis. It was a system that Jesus assured his disciples that he would put in place once again, and they (the disciples) would be those judges:

And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration, when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

(Matthew 19:28)


The people wanted the Messiah, not God, and therefore not Jesus either. Yes, Jesus was most definitely anti-Messiah, i.e., anti-Christ. He was instead very much pro-God.

[Sparko]

woah!

If anyone was an anti-Christ it was Jesus himself. If you read the gospels carefully, you can't help but pick up on the fact that Jesus didn't seem in the least interested in being a Messiah, an anointed king of Israel. It is true that the authors of the gospels seem to have this in mind, but Jesus himself doesn't seem the least bit interested in the position. It's hard to miss the fact that there was always an Israelite around who seemed eager to hail Jesus as the "son of David." Jesus himself, however, never referred to himself this way, much preferring the "son of Man" title. Why?

Matthew 27:11
[ Jesus Before Pilate ] Meanwhile Jesus stood before the governor, and the governor asked him, "Are you the king of the Jews?" "Yes, it is as you say," Jesus replied.

[Hidden Manna]

(Matthew 19:28)


The people wanted the Messiah, not God, and therefore not Jesus either. Yes, Jesus was most definitely anti-Messiah, i.e., anti-Christ. He was instead very much pro-God.

The word anti for antichrist can mean substitution or instead of Christ

Strong's Lexicon Search Results

Result of search for "anti":

473 anti an-tee' a primary particle; opposite, i.e. instead or because of (rarely in addition to):--for, in the room of. Often used in composition to denote contrast, requital, substitution, correspondence, etc.

Apostle John used the term Spirit of antichrist. God makes it possible for us to have the Holy Spirit instead of having a Spirit of antichrist.

The word Vicar "Vice" means anti or instead of, like the vice presdident or Vicar of Christ. The pope is considered the Vicar of Christ claiming to take Christ place until He returns. Even though this claim is error because Jesus Christ did return in the spiritual realm in AD 70

You have seemed to use the word anti to only mean against which is as you can see it can mean anyone of the things above.

Nero was the man of sin in the first century.

NERO DEMANDED WORSHIP: Rev 13:5-8. Inscriptions have been found in Ephesus in which Nero is called "Almighty God" and "Savior." He and Caligula "abandoned all reserve" in promoting emperor worship - they were the only two who demanded divine honors while still alive. Nero claimed to be Apollo.

[InChristAlways]

The "anti-christ" is both a man of sin and works lawlessness. Looking up the word lawless, it applied to the jews that had Jesus delivered up to be crucified. Jesus was betrayed by Judas which means "Judah".
Jesus came from the "flesh" of Judah/Israel and could be symbolic of that tribe as revelation shows Jesus as a lion from the tribe of Judah. It almost looks like Judah against Judah. Israel had the law and ordinances of Moses, the gentiles/nations didn't, as those who came to believe unto Him, came under the Grace of the Cross instead of the burden of the Law.

In many places in the OT, it shows God raising up wickedness to bring against His people to try and test them. Whoever it/he/them was in the first century was destroyed by the coming of Jesus in Wrath. It is Iniquity and Sin that are againt God and there is no shortage of that on earth today.Blessings.

2 thess 2:3Let no one deceive you by any means; for [that Day will not come] unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,

of sin 266 hamartia {ham-ar-tee'-ah}
from 264; TDNT - 1:267,44; n f
AV - sin 172, sinful 1, offense 1; 174

2 thess 2:8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.

that Wicked 459 anomos {an'-om-os}
from 1 (as a negative particle) and 3551; TDNT - 4:1086,646; adj
AV - without law 4, transgressor 2, wicked 2, lawless 1, unlawful 1; 10

Mark 15:28 So the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "And He was numbered with the transgressors."

Acts 2:23 "Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death;

Revelation 15:1 Then I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvelous: seven angels having the seven last plagues, for in them the wrath of God is complete. 2 And I saw [something] like a sea of glass mingled with fire, and those who have the victory over the beast, over his image and over his mark [and] over the number of his name, standing on the sea of glass, having harps of God.

2 thess 1:7 and to [give] you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes, in that Day, to be Glorified in His Saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed.

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[iwayne]

You picked the wrong translation for Matthew 27:11. Jesus did not actually say what your selected translation indicates. What he said was the equivalent of "You say so." The emphasis of course is on the word "You." In other words, Jesus did not really concur with the implication of Pilate's question. Jesus did not believe in the Messiah concept, a concept created and promoted by the masses, by the people. God delivered His will to Moses, i.e., the law, and the esablishment of His kingdom on the earth. Remember, it was the people who wanted a human king (messiah), which Samuel very reluctantly gave them.

woah!





Matthew 27:11
[ Jesus Before Pilate ] Meanwhile Jesus stood before the governor, and the governor asked him, "Are you the king of the Jews?" "Yes, it is as you say," Jesus replied.

[Sparko]

You picked the wrong translation for Matthew 27:11. Jesus did not actually say what your selected translation indicates. What he said was the equivalent of "You say so." The emphasis of course is on the word "You." In other words, Jesus did not really concur with the implication of Pilate's question. Jesus did not believe in the Messiah concept, a concept created and promoted by the masses, by the people. God delivered His will to Moses, i.e., the law, and the esablishment of His kingdom on the earth. Remember, it was the people who wanted a human king (messiah), which Samuel very reluctantly gave them.

Again,

Jesus said "You said it" in response to the question was he the king of the jews. That is an admission, not a denial. We say the same thing when we agree with someone today.

"You said it, buddy!"

--
John 4
25The woman said, "I know that Messiah" (called Christ) "is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us."

26Then Jesus declared, "I who speak to you am he."


--
Matthew 16
15"But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?"

16Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ (the Messiah), the Son of the living God."

17Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven.

[InChristAlways]

Let's begin with some definitions.

The word "christ" is the English translation of the Greek word "christos." The word written in Greek letters looks like this:xristos.
If the New Testament had not been written in Greek we wouldn't even know this word. We wouldn't be calling Christianity Christianity; we'd be calling it Messianity. You see, xristos, is the Greek word for the Hebrew word maschiach, which in English is always translated as Messiah. But whether Greek or Hebrew the word has the same definition: anointed one. All Israelite kings in other words. Anointing with olive oil was a part of the coronation ceremony. This means that all the kings of Israel (and Judah) were Messiahs. As a matter of fact, there was even one dude who was anointed (by Elijah) who wasn't an Israelite at all....If anyone was an anti-Christ it was Jesus himself. If you read the gospels carefully, you can't help but pick up on the fact that Jesus didn't seem in the least interested in being a Messiah, an anointed king of Israel.

Hi iwayne. That is curious because there is a word in revelation that has stumped me as it also means "anti/instead of"-----Antipas!!! I haven't figured out where satan's throne was at the time this was written, but what do you make of this word? Blessings.


Reve 2:13“Thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth”


Is Antipas a symbol, or was Antipas an actual individual in the church in Pergamos? There is no historical evidence for a person named Antipas who was martyred in Pergamos. So let’s analyze the word. Antipas is a compound word made up of the prefix “anti” meaning “opposed to” or “instead of,” and in this sense is similar to the word “anti-Christ,” denoting that which is opposed to, or takes the place of, Christ. Now the name becomes very strange! The second half of the name is “pas” which most scholars agree is a Greek abbreviation for “pater” which means “father.” So — just as “anti-christ” signifies that which is against or instead of Christ, so “anti-pas” bespeaks of that which is opposed to, or takes the place of, Father! It is a description of something that takes place in the lives of God’s chosen elect! It is my conviction that we find here a double meaning — a meaning within a meaning.

The question follows — if Antipas is one who stands in opposition to, or usurps the place of, THE FATHER, how could he then be called “My faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.” This is indeed a mystery! Yet — is it not true that before any man can become a martyr of the Lord, all that is opposed to the Father, and all that usurps the place of the Father, must be slain in him? Antipas was martyred where Satan’s throne is!