Daniel 9: Time Table for the Jewish Messiah - Oy!

[Didymus]

May I suggest a new thread: "Time Table for the Earth Goddess".

We're still waiting for the incarnation!

[Menachem]

Bring it on and post your refutation! If Jesus Christ is not the Jewish Messiah, then how could he be the savior of the World?

Excuse me! I ask for the Hebrew text of this Qumran document to examine it to see what it says and you attack me for something I did not even begin to even try and do.

If you feel like you need me to refute it then go ahead and post the Hebrew of this Qumran Document and I will refute the sad excuse of an english translation you are posting. If you want the article of arnold fruchtenbaum refuted I would be happy to dissect it and show his errors in a jiffy. I have very little time as of lately so it may be a while. AS for the unnecessary attack please ldont do those they arent necessary.

[Johnny Skeptic]

Message to Didymus: I predict that if you continue to debate Eliyosef in this thread, he will embarrass you. He is fluent in Hebrew. He once demolished Richbee regarding the virgin birth. Richbee never responded.

[technomage]

Message to Didymus: I predict that if you continue to debate Eliyosef in this thread, he will embarrass you. He is fluent in Hebrew. He once demolished Richbee regarding the virgin birth. Richbee never responded.

Didymus was a pseudonym for Richbee. And Didymus will not be responding either.

[Menachem]

Didymus was a pseudonym for Richbee. And Didymus will not be responding either.

good then i dont have to "worry" about refuting anything...

[technomage]

good then i dont have to "worry" about refuting anything...

It's a Zen thing ... how do you answer the poster who is no longer there? TWeb's own version of "Oy, vey, have you got the wrong vampire!"

[Menachem]

It's a Zen thing ... how do you answer the poster who is no longer there? TWeb's own version of "Oy, vey, have you got the wrong vampire!"

lol

[InChristAlways]

Isn't the "he" in vs 27 the "little horn" of Daniel? Is the one AFTER the 62 weeks the "messiah" or the "little horn" to come? The Time of the End is after the sanctuary has been "cleansed". How about Christ representing the "Word" of building a "spiritual" city? Just some thoughts.

Daniel 9:25 Thou must know, then, and understand: From the going forth of the word to restore and to build up Jerusalem--unto anointed one, the ruler/prince, [shall be] seven weeks, and sixty-two weeks,--the broadway and the "gold", shall again be built, even in the end of the times. 26 And, after the sixty-two weeks, shall an anointed One, be "cut off"??, and have, nothing,--and, the city and the sanctuary, will one destroy with the Prince, and so will his own end come with an overwhelming flood, howbeit, up to the full end of the war, are decreed astounding things.
27 And he will confirm a covenant to the many, for one week,--but, in the middle of the week, will cause sacrifice and present to cease, and, in his stead, [shall be] the horrid abomination that astoundeth, even till, a full end, and that a decreed one, shall be poured out on him that astoundeth.

Isn't this talking about the temple still standing when Jesus said this????So it is future from this time on correct unless Danile happens twice?

Matt 24:15 " Therefore when you see the 'abomination of desolation,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 "then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

Site on the false prophet Daniel in respect to this being about antiochus. This can't be the event Jesus was talking about in Matthew as that was still FUTURE and Michael doesn't even "stand up" until the Great Tribulation it seems.

http://www.awitness.org/lostmess/daniel.html


Quote from site: The following verses contain the false prophecy in that none of this was ever fulfilled.???? My comments are enclosed in brackets, and are in italics and colored red.

"At the time of the end the king of the south (Ptolemy) shall attack him (Antiochus 'the beast'); but the king of the north (Antiochus) shall rush upon him like a whirlwind, with chariots and horsemen, and with many ships (Ptolemy did not attack); and he shall come into countries and shall overflow and pass through (great conquests that never took place). He shall come into the glorious land. And tens of thousands shall fall, but these shall be delivered out of his hand: Edom and Moab and the main part of the Ammonites. He shall stretch out his hand against the countries, and the land of Egypt shall not escape. He shall become ruler of the treasures of gold and of silver, and all the precious things of Egypt; and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall follow in his train (he never conquered these nations). But tidings from the east and the north shall alarm him, and he shall go forth with great fury to exterminate and utterly destroy many. And he shall pitch his palatial tents between the sea and the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, with none to help him. At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people.





Antiochus did not proceed to conquer Libya or Ethiopia. Neither did he promptly drop dead at the sea shore, and, as is obvious, neither did the archangel Michael become so provoked by Antiochus defilement of the Jerusalem temple that the end of the world[TIME OF THE END] took place. Because the author was accurately describing history up to about 167 B.C.E. and then became a dismal failure from that point on we can be fairly certain that the author wrote the composition around 167.