Is ordination of women to be Pastors [Overseer/Bishop] orthodox?

[Cow Poke]

Yup, I still think the evidence is awful weak, but I'm happy to look at it before I pitch a screaming fit and shout it down.

[Cow Poke]

This is not at issue. Women in ministry roles. Women have been prophets too.

And Judges.

[Jesse]

Yup, I still think the evidence is awful weak, but I'm happy to look at it before I pitch a screaming fit and shout it down.

Lol. I hear ya. Though you don't seem like the screaming type...

[Cow Poke]

Lol. I hear ya. Though you don't seem like the screaming type...

Nope. I dont' need to scream - I got a shotgun, a shovel, and 40 acres. They will never find the body!

[Jesse]

Nope. I dont' need to scream - I got a shotgun, a shovel, and 40 acres. They will never find the body!

You forgot the lye. So yeah, you will probably get caught.

[Cow Poke]

You forgot the lye. So yeah, you will probably get caught.

- ain't nobody can get back there without passing Horace - and he's ornery, even for a bull.

[37818]

In reference to female authority figures within the early church, Mark Goodacre has a terrific (8 minute) podcast episode on the Apostle Junia mentioned in Romans 16:7.

Junia is not said to be an Apostle. But was well known by them.


"Greet Andronicus and Junia, my relatives [or, close companions] and my fellow-prisoners, who are well-known by [or, among] the apostles, who also have been in Christ before me." -- Romans 16:7 Analytical-Literal Translation

[37818]

OK, get your rocks and stones ready.....

1 Tim 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

"woman" read "wife." "man" read "husband."

Now you can throw some rocks.

[Cow Poke]

Junia is not said to be an Apostle. But was well known by them.


"Greet Andronicus and Junia, my relatives [or, close companions] and my fellow-prisoners, who are well-known by [or, among] the apostles, who also have been in Christ before me." -- Romans 16:7 Analytical-Literal Translation

Interesting - Young's Literal Translation seems to agree

salute Andronicus and Junias, my kindred, and my fellow-captives, who are of note among the apostles, who also have been in Christ before me.

[Cow Poke]

"woman" read "wife." "man" read "husband."

Now you can throw some rocks.

Yes, I've seen it translated both ways.

[37818]

And you want to get into that, eh?

So why would Paul, the great Church Planter, say
1 Tim 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

"woman" can be read "wife" and "man" can be read "husband." And they holding church at their house makes this teaching by Paul all the more true.

[37818]

It does make much more sense of the childbearing statement that immediately follows.

"For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety." -- 1 Timothy 3:13-15.

The "she" is singular. And the saved in childbearing is understood refer to the birth of Christ. So beginning with Eve, "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." And being fulfilled with Christ, "But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons." [Genesis 3:15; Galatians 4:4, 5.]

And the "they" as how women of the faith are.

[Paprika]

Source: History and Literature of Early Christianity

This short letter "To the Ephesians" permits an interesting glance into Paul's activities as an ecclesiastical politician. He did not devise church orders

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[37818]

*Genesis 1 and 2 being "contradictory",

Your view. One is the six day account. And the other is in the garden account.

Jephthah's daughter being a "human sacrifice",

The text does not say that. But rather, "And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her [according] to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man." -- Judges 11:39. "according to his vow." The Law is does not allow for human sacrifice. So it does not say she was made into a burnt offering. It does not say that.
"Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods." -- Deuteronomy 18:31.
And there are other arguments.

[Pentecost]

I find this one hard. On one hand, I see woman in positions of leadership (in Scripture and in the modern day with them being blessed in their ministry), on the other I have been convinced by the principle of Biblical headship of the family. I have tentatively come to the conclusion that a woman should not lead a church if she is married because she should be led by her husband and not lead him, and they should be part of the same congregation, but a woman should be permitted if single, or a widow to lead a church and to lead ministries where her husband is not under her, such as Youth or Childrens, or even Missions or Prison ministry, anything so long as it's not her husband she is leading. If she is in a position of ecclesiastic power, perhaps her husband should also be, because while we are a priesthood of all believers, I also recognize a significance in those chosen to lead the priesthood.

I think that all came out right. But even if I was on either extreme of this topic, only men, or complete equality in male vs female leadership roles; I do not consider this a topic of orthodoxy vs heterodoxy, rather a non-essential that may be tied to good practice of the faith.