The Name

[sonofyah]

What is the true name of the Messiah and why isnt it spoken today?

[furay]

What is the true name of the Messiah and why isnt it spoken today?

And His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on His head were many diadems, and He had a name written, which no man knoweth but Himself.
-Apocalypse 19:12

[technomage]

What is the true name of the Messiah and why isnt it spoken today?

Because we don't speak Aramaic. Names translate just like words do.

[sonofyah]

Because we don't speak Aramaic. Names translate just like words do.

Is that even biblical

[technomage]

Is that even biblical

Does the Bible give linguistic rules? If not, then it's certainly not anti-Biblical.

[sonofyah]

And His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on His head were many diadems, and He had a name written, which no man knoweth but Himself.
-Apocalypse 19:12

I understand what you have there but I am looking for a biblical answer. To qoute me something out of a book used by the Catholic church is a little close minded when you know Catholic meaning "universal" embraces most religions and beliefs. With that being said they have to first find out which god they want serve today. To get you on the right page read Acts 4:12, Acts 26:14, John 5:43 to name a few

[sonofyah]

Does the Bible give linguistic rules? If not, then it's certainly not anti-Biblical.

In the begining was the word and the word was with YHWH and the word was YHWH. The Name came from heaven Philippians 2:9...I never said anything about language but the Apostle Paul writes in Acts 26:14 that he heard a voice speaking in the Hebrew tongue....According to the word it is a contradiction to call Him by a name that he didnt call himself...

[sonofyah]

And His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on His head were many diadems, and He had a name written, which no man knoweth but Himself.
-Apocalypse 19:12

13. He was clothed with a robe
dipped in blood,
and His name is called
The Word of God.

That is the next verse in that very book....Understand that Yahshua is the Word that became flesh John 1:14

[ministerjay]

Is that even biblical

It is important to understand the difference between translation and transliteration. We willing accept and pronounce names from other languages and do not try to "translate or transliterate" those names. Pharoah is not an english name. Buddha is not an english name. There are many examples of names that have not lost their origin or their meaning that we use today, yet we have deproved the heavenly father of his heavenly spoken name and replaced it with yet another non-english word, "God". The name of the heavenly father is YHWH pronounced (Yah-Weh or Yah-Veh) due to the Hebrew letters having multiple sounds for one letter at times. This name was revealed to the Jews. They don't debate his name, only how to pronounce it...

[furay]

I understand what you have there but I am looking for a biblical answer.

Gee, and here I thought the Revelation of Jesus Christ to St John was in the Bible.

To qoute me something out of a book used by the Catholic church is a little close minded when you know Catholic meaning "universal" embraces most religions and beliefs.

No, it doesn't.

Here's a clue, buddy, when you find yourself standing before the Dread Judgment Seat of Christ, He ain't gonna be asking you if you pronounced His Name correctly, but rather if you fed the hungry, quenched the thirsty, sheltered the strangers, clothed the naked, cared for the sick, and visited the prisoners.

[Amazing Rando]

Here's a clue, buddy, when you find yourself standing before the Dread Judgment Seat of Christ, He ain't gonna be asking you if you pronounced His Name correctly, but rather if you fed the hungry, quenched the thirsty, sheltered the strangers, clothed the naked, cared for the sick, and visited the prisoners.

[sonofyah]

Gee, and here I thought the Revelation of Jesus Christ to St John was in the Bible.


No, it doesn't.

Here's a clue, buddy, when you find yourself standing before the Dread Judgment Seat of Christ, He ain't gonna be asking you if you pronounced His Name correctly, but rather if you fed the hungry, quenched the thirsty, sheltered the strangers, clothed the naked, cared for the sick, and visited the prisoners.

Romans 10 tells me something totally different buddy....but if take the time and study the 6 basic principals of Christianity(Hebrews 6:1-5) it will help you understand what YHWH wants

[technomage]

In the begining was the word and the word was with YHWH and the word was YHWH. The Name came from heaven Philippians 2:9...I never said anything about language but the Apostle Paul writes in Acts 26:14 that he heard a voice speaking in the Hebrew tongue....According to the word it is a contradiction to call Him by a name that he didnt call himself...

If that's the case, then why did Paul write "theos" in Greek?

Sonofyah, pray study the history of your text. God is called by many names and titles--to Jews and Christians alike, the importance is not in what you call YHVH, but in that you call Him.

[furay]

Are you suggesting that the epistle of St Paul to the Romans chapter 10 contradicts the Gospel according to St Matthew chapter 25? You are too much. I'm sorry, but I'm not about to take spiritual advice from someone who is so ignorant of scripture. Gimme a break!

Romans 10 tells me something totally different buddy....but if take the time and study the 6 basic principals of Christianity(Hebrews 6:1-5) it will help you understand what YHWH wants

[sonofyah]

Im sorry to be the one that tells you this but the book of Revelations describes to Judgements and the White Throne Judgement is what you dont want to see. Also I donot want to insult your learning but the way you have been taught is not your fault. I am going to take a minute and teach you some things. First, I want to let you Know that the Heavenly Fathers Name YHWH known in some circles as the Tetragrammaton has been replaced with that of Lord, God, and Adonai. These titles are given but are a total disrespect to the Holy Scriptures. Understand that you dont have to take my word for it. Just look it up or better yet look in the 15th paragraph of your NIV Bible Preface. What is very important is that the second book of the bible Exodus which really is "Shemoths" meaning "The Name" is where he reveals is name to Mosheh. YHWH is the Alpha and the Omega the Aleph and the Taw the begining and the end Revelations 1:8. My point is that is if you study your bible and stop taking everyones interpretation of it, you will realize that every book in the Holy Scriptures is about the name of the father and the son. If you want somewhere to start looking check here...Ex 20:24, Ex. 34:5&14, Num. 6:27, Zah 14:9, Psalm 68:4, Psalm 102:15, Ps 102:21, Ps. 111:9, 113:1, and Isaiah 30:27....You should cry out for the Holy Spirit to guide you into Truth. This is something you can do in your prayer closet. The word saids Howbeit when he come the Spirit of Truth and he shall leed and guide you into all Truth. I depend on the Holy Spirit thats why I can go into any Forum and teach, because I have the Spirit of Truth on my side. Once you find out that Truth has a Name which is Yahshua you will be made new. But like i said earlier dont take my word for it, study and show yourself approved. Acts 4:12 you can only be saved in the name of Yahshua