FreeWillers Please Answer These Questions?

[Zipperhead]

1) Did Jesus pay the punishment for the sins of those who pay the punishment for their sins in hell?

2) When the Bible says that the Grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, does that mean that the gospel appears to those who never have the gospel preached to them?

3) If God does his best to save everyone, did God do his best to save Pharoh when he hardened him?
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[Gromit45]

Just curious - Are you familiar at all with Norman Geisler's book Chosen But Free?

[Xmansmommy]

deja vu

[micah4]

29) You're a heretic, there is no "free will," stop believing lies.

Did you write this, or the phelps fellow?

[Zipperhead]

Did you write this, or the phelps fellow?

I wrote it.

[Zipperhead]

Just curious - Are you familiar at all with Norman Geisler's book Chosen But Free?

Are you familiar with James White's refutation of it? - http://www.straitgate.com/geisler/

[micah4]

25) If God doesn't hate anyone, what does the Bible mean in these verses:

I wouldn't deny the scriptural testimony that God expresses hatred.

What I would deny is that he expresses hatred without giving an obvious reason for that hatred which is invariably connected to men's actions. This is clear enough in the very verses you cite, if you actually read them. As such, calvinism's assertion that God hates individuals irrespective of wickedness they have done is entirely out of place with the abundance of scripture you have handily collected.

Go read over your list of scriptures again, and tell me I'm not right.

[Gromit45]

Are you familiar with James White's refutation of it? - http://www.straitgate.com/geisler/

Yes, I am.

[micah4]

I wrote it.

Well, I suppose I'd rather be a heretic than an idiot.

[Zipperhead]

I wouldn't deny the scriptural testimony that God expresses hatred.

What I would deny is that he expresses hatred without giving an obvious reason for that hatred which is invariably connected to men's actions. This is clear enough in the very verses you cite, if you actually read them. As such, calvinism's assertion that God hates individuals irrespective of wickedness they have done is entirely out of place with the abundance of scripture you have handily collected.

Go read over your list of scriptures again, and tell me I'm not right.

I wasn't talking about unconditional hatred (though I believe in it), I was going against the free willers who say God doesn't hate anyone.

Now see if you can answer the rest of the questions.

[Zipperhead]

Well, I suppose I'd rather be a heretic than an idiot.

Too bad your name calling does nothing.

[Xmansmommy]

I was going against the free willers who say God doesn't hate anyone.

Quote please? Thanks!

[Zipperhead]

Quote please? Thanks!

Ask Muzicman if God hates anyone.

[Zipperhead]

I wouldn't deny the scriptural testimony that God expresses hatred.

What I would deny is that he expresses hatred without giving an obvious reason for that hatred which is invariably connected to men's actions. This is clear enough in the very verses you cite, if you actually read them. As such, calvinism's assertion that God hates individuals irrespective of wickedness they have done is entirely out of place with the abundance of scripture you have handily collected.

Go read over your list of scriptures again, and tell me I'm not right.

What does that other part of Romans 9 mean when it speaks about niether Jacob or Esau having done good or evil, that the purpose of election might stand in God making the elder serve the younger? You know, the verse in the same context as God saying he hated Esau?

[Xmansmommy]

I'll allow Michael to speak for himself. In the meantime...would you mind providing a relevant quote? Appreciate it much.