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  • #16
    What does the Bible say about ignoramuses? Where do they go after death? Not Heaven, I guess, but Hell seems unfair.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Zymologist View Post
      Does anyone have any info on official RCC doctrine on this point?

      I saw a Catholic (not on tweb) speak quite strongly about how blasphemous Protestantism was. I want to know what the official RCC statement about Protestantism and salvation is.
      Try here: http://www.catholic.com/blog/tim-sta...atholic-church
      "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

      "Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Truthseeker View Post
        What does the Bible say about ignoramuses? Where do they go after death? Not Heaven, I guess, but Hell seems unfair.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Zymologist View Post

          I saw a Catholic (not on tweb) speak quite strongly about how blasphemous Protestantism was.
          I'd bet my hat that it was nothing more than invectives and partial bible verses that are ripped from their context.
          That's what
          - She

          Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
          - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
            I'd bet my hat that it was nothing more than invectives and partial bible verses that are ripped from their context.
            There was a great deal of invective, yes. I honestly didn't pay that much attention to it.
            I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
              I'd bet my hat that it was nothing more than invectives and partial bible verses that are ripped from their context.
              You mean riposte?
              Don't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Zymologist View Post
                I suppose I'm curious, then, what the RCC position is on salvation outside of the Catholic church. I've heard some conflicting views.
                I haven't ever met many Catholics who "know" they are saved -- it's always "the blessed hope of salvation", depending, apparently, on a number of issues.
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • #23
                  My wife and I ate dinner at the Catholic Fish Fry - held every Friday during Lent. They were quite skimpy on the fish, the french fries were greasy, limp and not even warm, and the desserts appeared to be small slices of store-bought cakes and pies. Therefore, their doctrine is corrupt.
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                    My wife and I ate dinner at the Catholic Fish Fry - held every Friday during Lent. They were quite skimpy on the fish, the french fries were greasy, limp and not even warm, and the desserts appeared to be small slices of store-bought cakes and pies. Therefore, their doctrine is corrupt.


                    And whenever the fried chicken at a Baptist pot luck is greasy and especially when everyone else brings coleslaw or potato salad then our doctrine stands on shaky ground.

                    I'm always still in trouble again

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                      If you mean mentally handicapped, then I think they are treated like children in God's eyes and are not accountable.
                      Thank you. Same question except this time, children and others who are like them, please? Where do they go after death?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Truthseeker View Post
                        Thank you. Same question except this time, children and others who are like them, please? Where do they go after death?
                        To their eternal destiny.
                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Spartacus View Post
                          You mean riposte?
                          I was wondering if you'd post in this thread. Have any comment on the accuracy of the OP? I'm checking out Thoughtful Monk's link now.
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
                            Thanks. This seems to largely reinforce the blog post in the OP. Am I missing something?
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Zymologist View Post
                              I was wondering if you'd post in this thread. Have any comment on the accuracy of the OP? I'm checking out Thoughtful Monk's link now.
                              I'd have posted sooner and with more substance, but, TWeb has been exhausting recently.

                              The OP blog post is technically correct. For a person to know beyond any reasonable doubt that the Catholic Church is the Church Christ founded and not to want to be part of it? To knowingly reject God's plan for the salvation of mankind and for every individual? What else would one expect after that but Hell?

                              Of course, there's a bit of room for interpretation about what constitutes vincible or invincible ignorance. One certainly can't be faulted for not investigating every single sect that claims to have the One Truth Path to salvation, but if careful and sustained investigation leaves you with no alternative but to believe that the Catholic Church legitimately claims, despite all its evident and not-so-evident flaws, to be the legitimate continuation of the Church Christ founded, then what is your alternative?
                              Don't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Spartacus View Post
                                I'd have posted sooner and with more substance, but, TWeb has been exhausting recently.

                                The OP blog post is technically correct. For a person to know beyond any reasonable doubt that the Catholic Church is the Church Christ founded and not to want to be part of it? To knowingly reject God's plan for the salvation of mankind and for every individual? What else would one expect after that but Hell?

                                Of course, there's a bit of room for interpretation about what constitutes vincible or invincible ignorance. One certainly can't be faulted for not investigating every single sect that claims to have the One Truth Path to salvation, but if careful and sustained investigation leaves you with no alternative but to believe that the Catholic Church legitimately claims, despite all its evident and not-so-evident flaws, to be the legitimate continuation of the Church Christ founded, then what is your alternative?
                                Is there any official teaching as to the extent of the ignorance necessary for, say, a Protestant? That's a bad way to phrase the question, but I can't think of any other way right now.
                                I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.

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