Salvation for non-Catholic Christians

[Spartacus]

Is there any official teaching as to the extent of the ignorance necessary for, say, a Protestant? That's a bad way to phrase the question, but I can't think of any other way.

If you had to guess at the answer, what would you say?

[Zymologist]

If you had to guess at the answer, what would you say?

I'm not sure...it seems to be somewhat vague. I'm honestly not sure what the answer might be.

Edit: not sure, is what I meant to say.

[Spartacus]

I'm not sure...it seems to be somewhat vague. I'm honestly not sure what the answer might be.

Edit: not sure, is what I meant to say.

If you have good reason to suspect that the Catholic Church is the one founded by Christ, but you refrain from researching further because you're afraid you might have to convert, that's culpable ignorance.

On the other hand, sometimes mistaken impressions are entirely understandable. If you arrive at a mistaken impression of what the Church is and are never credibly presented with an invitation to look deeper, then your ignorance would not be culpable.

Just seeing the Catechism on the shelf in a bookstore isn't enough for St. Peter to say at the pearly gates, "ha, you could've learned about Catholicism, but you didn't, so off to Hell you go!" As I understand it, you have to have some basic comprehension of an idea before you can be culpable for accepting or rejecting it.

[Bill the Cat]

You mean riposte?

No.

[footwasher]

[Cow Poke]

If you have good reason to suspect that the Catholic Church is the one founded by Christ, but you refrain from researching further because you're afraid you might have to convert, that's culpable ignorance.

On the other hand, sometimes mistaken impressions are entirely understandable. If you arrive at a mistaken impression of what the Church is and are never credibly presented with an invitation to look deeper, then your ignorance would not be culpable.

Just seeing the Catechism on the shelf in a bookstore isn't enough for St. Peter to say at the pearly gates, "ha, you could've learned about Catholicism, but you didn't, so off to Hell you go!" As I understand it, you have to have some basic comprehension of an idea before you can be culpable for accepting or rejecting it.

This is some of your better work, steak flipper!

[fm93]

No.

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[Thoughtful Monk]

Thanks. This seems to largely reinforce the blog post in the OP. Am I missing something?

Welcome. Other than being a lot wordier, said the same thing. Like many Protestants don't think Catholics are saved, many Catholics think the same in reverse.

[Zymologist]

If you have good reason to suspect that the Catholic Church is the one founded by Christ, but you refrain from researching further because you're afraid you might have to convert, that's culpable ignorance.

On the other hand, sometimes mistaken impressions are entirely understandable. If you arrive at a mistaken impression of what the Church is and are never credibly presented with an invitation to look deeper, then your ignorance would not be culpable.

Just seeing the Catechism on the shelf in a bookstore isn't enough for St. Peter to say at the pearly gates, "ha, you could've learned about Catholicism, but you didn't, so off to Hell you go!" As I understand it, you have to have some basic comprehension of an idea before you can be culpable for accepting or rejecting it.

So if a Protestant were to examine Catholic doctrine but conclude that it doesn't coincide with how he understands Scripture, I'm taking it that this would make him culpable and therefore unsaved?

[Cow Poke]

So if a Protestant were to examine Catholic doctrine but conclude that it doesn't coincide with how he understands Scripture, I'm taking it that this would make him culpable and therefore unsaved?

Very similar to what OC and NRAJeff used to tell us about Mormonism.

[Spartacus]

Very similar to what OC and NRAJeff used to tell us about Mormonism.

It's also not far off from the theological paradigm that justifies forced conversions: you've been presented with our arguments for, say, Islam, and if you're not convinced, then you deserve death for rejecting God's revelation (nevermind the lack of careful and convincing presentation of the arguments)

[Cow Poke]

It's also not far off from the theological paradigm that justifies forced conversions: you've been presented with our arguments for, say, Islam, and if you're not convinced, then you deserve death for rejecting God's revelation (nevermind the lack of careful and convincing presentation of the arguments)

Except, of course, that most religions OTHER than Islam allow you time to study, think, pray, consider, reason..... My impression is that Islam, particularly in the "extremist" version, is pretty much a "decide here and now!" kind of thing.

[One Bad Pig]

Except, of course, that most religions OTHER than Islam allow you time to study, think, pray, consider, reason..... My impression is that Islam, particularly in the "extremist" version, is pretty much a "decide here and now!" kind of thing.

And most other religions don't proscribe the death penalty for apostasy, leaving that sort of thing up to God.