Impending Minimum Wage hike causing restaurants to close

[Cerebrum123]

That sounds like a terrible idea. Wasn't that the system that the British held? Seems to me that if you pay taxes, you ought to have a voice. "No taxation without representation" and all that.

I don't see his statement going against that. It seems to be saying "unless you are being taxed, no representation". Why should someone not being taxed get to decide about the tax levels of those who are being taxed?

[Adrift]

I don't see his statement going against that. It seems to be saying "unless you are being taxed, no representation". Why should someone not being taxed get to decide about the tax levels of those who are being taxed?

Non-land owners may not have to pay property tax, but they're still getting taxed in other ways. You also think that non-land owners shouldn't have the right to vote?

[Sparko]

All legal citizens 18 or older, unless convicted of a felony are able and should be able to vote. If you start limiting who can and can't vote by how much they know, or pay in taxes, or some other arbitrary system, pretty soon the whole system falls apart. People will find a way to exclude various segments of the population because they don't like their views.

[Zymologist]

All legal citizens 18 or older, unless convicted of a felony are able and should be able to vote. If you start limiting who can and can't vote by how much they know, or pay in taxes, or some other arbitrary system, pretty soon the whole system falls apart. People will find a way to exclude various segments of the population because they don't like their views.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

[Sparko]

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Our system of government is the best there is. Sure it has flaws, but it's better than anything else out there.

[Zymologist]

Our system of government is the best there is. Sure it has flaws, but it's better than anything else out there.

It was just a joke. I felt that this thread just needed some life--posting's been a bit dry in here.

[Sparko]

It was just a joke. I felt that this thread just needed some life--posting's been a bit dry in here.

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[Zymologist]

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Awwwww. Do I hafta?

[Cerebrum123]

Non-land owners may not have to pay property tax, but they're still getting taxed in other ways. You also think that non-land owners shouldn't have the right to vote?

I didn't say I agreed with him. I just said I didn't read it the way you did.

ETA: My question was specifically in response to "no taxation without representation". Going by that, should those without taxation get representation?

[Mountain Man]

That sounds like a terrible idea. Wasn't that the system that the British held? Seems to me that if you pay taxes, you ought to have a voice. "No taxation without representation" and all that.

Yes, and people who don't own property or are not gainfully employed don't pay taxes.

So basically, you agree with me.

[Adrift]

Yes, and people who don't own property or are not gainfully employed don't pay taxes.

So basically, you agree with me.

You can't think of any other way one might end up having to pay taxes outside of owning property and being gainfully employed?

[Mountain Man]

All legal citizens 18 or older, unless convicted of a felony are able and should be able to vote. If you start limiting who can and can't vote by how much they know, or pay in taxes, or some other arbitrary system, pretty soon the whole system falls apart. People will find a way to exclude various segments of the population because they don't like their views.

So why limit it to 18-years old? Why shouldn't my 6-year old daughter be allowed to vote? Because according to you, "If you start limiting who can and can't vote by how much they know, or pay in taxes, or some other arbitrary system, pretty soon the whole system falls apart."

Isn't an age restriction just as arbitrary as anything else? Afterall, the legal limit used to be 21 until it was lowered to 18 in 1971.

[Mountain Man]

You can't think of any other way one might end up having to pay taxes outside of owning property and being gainfully employed?

I suppose you're thinking of sales tax, but if you're not working for your money -- for instance, you're getting a government handout, or your parents give you an allowance -- then are you really being taxed?

[Sparko]

So why limit it to 18-years old? Why shouldn't my 6-year old daughter be allowed to vote? Because according to you, "If you start limiting who can and can't vote by how much they know, or pay in taxes, or some other arbitrary system, pretty soon the whole system falls apart."

Isn't an age restriction just as arbitrary as anything else? Afterall, the legal limit used to be 21 until it was lowered to 18 in 1971.

Because if someone is old enough to fight for their country, the least the country can do is let them vote.

Age restriction isn't arbitrary.

[Mountain Man]

Because if someone is old enough to fight for their country, the least the country can do is let them vote.

Age restriction isn't arbitrary.

Why isn't it arbitrary? Simply declaring that it isn't doesn't answer my questions.

Restricting voting to only those who pay taxes isn't arbitrary, either. And for that matter, people as young as 14 can hold down a job and pay taxes, so why shouldn't 14-year olds be allowed to vote, if an age restriction isn't arbitrary?