Gods 10 Commandments

[i Wreck n Sow]

Hi All
Are the people of God to keep all 10 of HIS commandments? I myself have not found anywhere that we shouldnt. Satan knows he needs ya to break only one of the commandments(as written in James)and then you are considered a transgressor. Your walkin with the bad guy. hes not going to try and convince ya its alright to kill, commit adultry. But... the sabbath is just a day. That wooden cross....it isnt a graven image.hes got ya there! So whats everyone think about Gods 10 commandments. Are we to keep them?

[Solly]

The Christian is to keep more than the 10 commandments. Read Matt chapters 5-7. But we don't keep them to get in God's good books; we keep them because we are in his good books.

Christians differ over the keeping of a one day sabbath, as paul notes in his letters. Some see it is a creation ordinance, and to be kept by all, christian and nonChristian alike. Some see it as part of the old Mosaic economy, and fulfilled in chirst, so that every day is a sabbath day unto the Lord.

The cross? Are you linking that with graven images? I didn't think God looks like a wooden cross.

If the satan could get us because of one transgression, he would have had us five minutes after we were converted. We are saved sinners, learning to live the way our Lord wants us to live, and turn from the things we used to do. Sanctification is a life long process.

[i Wreck n Sow]

Hi Solly
You wrote, so that every day is a sabbath day unto the Lord.

What does this mean? Instead of keeping the commandment as given, you keep it how? Can you explain?

[Solly]

Depends upon what you mean by "as given"

The sabbath, as given to israel, was a national day of rest. It reflects the 7th day of creation, when God "rested" from all his labours in the creation. It speaks of our ceasing fom our labours in the age to come, and depending upon God. The Jubilee is a sabbath of sabbaths, in which the land lays fallow as well.

Some Christian groups see the OT sabbath as being fulfilled in the Lord's Day, the day of his resurrection. They transferred over the stipulations from the OT about no work etc.
Latterly, some see the whole sabbath thing as being typological, and not to be kept in a legalistic way. So they are quite happy to have church in the morning, the mall in the afternoon, the game in the evening, and TV at night.

I am part of a group of churches that hold to a more conservative view, that it is a creation ordinance, and that there should be a 7th day rest, whether it is saturday or not.

What is important is that it is not a case of keeping the comandments as given in the Mosaic covenant, as you have just said. Even Jesus points that out, in the aforementioned chapters from Matthew where he shows the spirituality of the law, what it was supposed to effect, and Paul points out that nobody ever did keep the law. Ever. Gal 6.13.
Paul also points out that even though he considered himself blameless under that law, the 10th commandment did it for him, and he found he was a sinner after all.

The Gospel, in seeking to conform us to the image of Christ, goes much further than the 10 commandments from Sinai. Do not kill? Bless those that persecute you. Do not steal? More blesed to give than receive. Do not commit idolatry? Cut off your right hand if necessary. Remember the sabbath day? In ALL things giving thanks, offering yourselves a living sacrifice. Honour thy father and mother? Honour old men as fathers, women as mothers, the younger as brothers and sisters. Covet not? Seek another's well being; etc.

[i Wreck n Sow]

Solly you wrote that Some Christian groups see the OT sabbath as being fulfilled in the Lord's Day, the day of his resurrection

If ya go simply by the scriptures, you will find that Jesus rose from the dead on a late sabbath afternoon. That is if you believe in the sign of Jonas. What is the Lords day(according to scriptures)? Dont ya believe the scripture that says if you worship ME through the commandments and doctrines of man, you worship ME in vain?And if so,where does Jesus change the commandment?

[Solly]

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Sorry, you have lost me completely.

Before bringing out stuff about when Christ arose, you need to substantiate it, rather than assume that I know and/or accept what you are saying.

Secondly, I along with all other Christians, worship God through Christ, so I am not sure what the intent of your pot shot about "commandments and doctrines of men" is.

You appear to be working to some unorthodox agenda - though I won't go so far as to speculate on which group's opinion you represent, so perhaps you should explain yourself now, since I have answered you twice.

[i Wreck n Sow]

Solly
You also wrote
The sabbath, as given to israel, was a national day of rest. It reflects the 7th day of creation, when God "rested" from all his labours in the creation. It speaks of our ceasing fom our labours in the age to come, and depending upon God. The Jubilee is a sabbath of sabbaths, in which the land lays fallow as well.

Where "in the commandment" does it speak about in an age to come? I am speaking of the 4th commandment. Not the high sabbath days of the feasts or Gods holy days(which i believe we are also to keep) or of the 1000yr period of rest.

[i Wreck n Sow]

Solly
Sorry if ya think i was takin pot shot. Thats not my intention. No agenda either Solly, i belong to no denomination. No earthly gains sought by me in being here.

Matt.5[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

I believe above scripture Solly. If ya wanna call it an agenda you may.

[i Wreck n Sow]

Hi again Solly
I really want you to know i have not come to this board to argue or say im right and your wrong. Jesus said the whole world would be decieved and according to the scriptures that has happened. Anyways heres what ive found on the sign of Jonas.


MATT.12[39] But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and
there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:[40] For as Jonas was three days and three
nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Jesus said HE would be 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth
Does good Friday afternoon till (easter) morning=3 days and 3 nights? No.

MARK 16[1] And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had
bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

These women bought sweet spices after the sabbath was past(the high day passover sabbath) of JOHN 19[31]

LUKE 23[56] And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

These same women prepared spices and then rested the sabbath day(Gods 4th commandment)
How could these women prepare spices and rest the sabbath if they didnt buy spices till after the sabbath had past?
There had to be 2 sabbaths! The feast of unleavened bread, which starts the day after the passover, has a high sabbath day, which is spoken of in John 19.

JOHN 19 [14] And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews,
Behold your King![15] But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him.

(These 2 scriptures are just more proof that the first of these sabbaths was the high passover sabbath)

JOHN 19[31] The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross
on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

So ya see Solly, its not as you or i was taught. I was raise a catholic. Im givin away my old age now, but at the time i didnt have a clue what was goin on in church as they spoke it in latin.

[themuzicman]

1) Jesus arose on the 1st day, not the sabbath.

2) The Sabbath (the laws and such about it) were the sign of the siniatic covenant between God and Isreal.

3) There remains a sabbath rest, but it is one that comes from the heart of Christians, not an ordinance of the denomination.

Michael

[Solly]

Today @ 03:34 PM post located here
i Wreck n Sow:

Hi again Solly
I really want you to know i have not come to this board to argue or say im right and your wrong. Jesus said the whole world would be decieved and according to the scriptures that has happened.

Sorry IWNS, but I have heard that so-o-o many times before, usually followed by "But not me, so listen to what I have to say."

Anyways heres what ive found on the sign of Jonas....
*snip

I am aware of some of the arguments that go around about this; either that he rose as the evening was falling, rather than dawn breaking, or that there were two high days. I believe this has been discussed recently at TWeb, though I don't have the link.

So ya see Solly, its not as you or i was taught. I was raise a catholic. Im givin away my old age now, but at the time i didnt have a clue what was goin on in church as they spoke it in latin.

Thank you for letting me know that. I was raised an atheist, so they might as well have been speaking latin for all I understood what I heard when I did attend church.

Matt.5[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Have you broken any? What happens if you have?
You have quoted this verse as if it is the sum of Christ's teaching.

[i Wreck n Sow]

Hi Muzicman
you said Jesus arose on the 1st day, not the sabbath

Ive looked for scripture to verify your claim of a 1st day rising and there are none. In all cases the scriptures say HE had risen or simply HE was not there. Sooo... Ill still have to put my belief in Jesus and HIS words when He spoke of the sign of Jonas.

And yes, there does remain a rest. But if it remains, it had to be there in the 1st place. Otherwise it wouldnt remain.

[i Wreck n Sow]

Hello Solly
you asked Have you broken any? What happens if you have?
You have quoted this verse as if it is the sum of Christ's teaching.

Yea, break them most everyday. Not as much the letter as the spirit. The spirit of the law is harder than the letter. An evil thought against your neighbor(anyone). Thats tough! while watchin news and ya see this guy walk up and sucker punch this man standing by the side of the road. When i 1st saw it my 1st thought was i wish i was there in person. There would 2 on the ground. Its a hard thing not to render evil for evil. Thank God for grace. All have fallen short. Without the grace of God we would have nothing.

[themuzicman]

Today @ 11:48 AM post located here
i Wreck n Sow:

Hi Muzicman
you said Jesus arose on the 1st day, not the sabbath

Ive looked for scripture to verify your claim of a 1st day rising and there are none. In all cases the scriptures say HE had risen or simply HE was not there. Sooo... Ill still have to put my belief in Jesus and HIS words when He spoke of the sign of Jonas.

And yes, there does remain a rest. But if it remains, it had to be there in the 1st place. Otherwise it wouldnt remain.

3 days:

Friday, Saturday, Sunday (1st day of the week)

SHeesh, don't public schools teach counting anymore?

Michael

[i Wreck n Sow]

Not gonna argue with ya Mikey. Maybe if i simplify.
Fri night=1 night
sat.day=1day
sat.night=2 nights

Matt.12 [40] For as Jonas was three days and three
nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

I havent learned the new math. But the old tells me theres somethin askew in your cypherin.