Bono & The Incarnation

[Amazing Rando]

Bono is one of the few authentic prophets of our era. The reason why he is a leftist is because a Christian prophet is without honor in his own country. The stone the right wing has rejected has become a corner stone for a regenerated and relevant Christianity. Go, Bono, go!

[Pilgrim]

Exactly. Now we are getting somewhere.




I believe I have addressed that issue as regards Mr. Bono's apparent growth and have indicated that I am not competent to judge his life, at least until it is finished. And most likely, not even then.

That does not mean, however, that while one is still living, their lives, words, and actions are immune from valid criticisms.

You see, that's where I am baffled. No one has offered any valid criticisms. They other thing is the spirit of division that is offered. A man joyfully relates an encouter with our God inorthodox and beautiful terms and our first response is to tear down? That seems counter to the spirit of Phil. 2.

[Kevin Wayne]

I believe I have addressed that issue as regards Mr. Bono's apparent growth and have indicated that I am not competent to judge his life, at least until it is finished. And most likely, not even then.

That does not mean, however, that while one is still living, their lives, words, and actions are immune from valid criticisms.

And I don't think anyone is suggesting that this is the case. I think it's more of a situation of we're glad the kid passed his basic math exam & you are hand-wringing that he hasn't gotten into Calculus yet.

[eudyptes]

And I don't think anyone is suggesting that this is the case. I think it's more of a situation of we're glad the kid passed his basic math exam & you are hand-wringing that he hasn't gotten into Calculus yet.

Now what are you doing going and messing up a perfectly good thread with talk about Calculus...jeesh :penggrin:...sorry, back to the discussion.

Cleombrotus, (is it okay to shorten this to Cleo - I know one of these times I'll fat finger your name) -- In reading through the posts, I would agree with Kevin's take on what's been posted so far. (Still don't care much about the Calc analogy though...bad memories ).

I do want to say I appreciate your sticking around to share your thoughts, usually these type of discussions fall apart rapidly and disovle into "you're wrong...no, you're wrong" posting wars. The tone of this thread has been pleasant, even as everyone tries to get a handle on where each other stands on the issue.

[Kevin Wayne]

I think I'd like to add that I can't speak for anyone here, but as far as my friends & I who have disccussed the issues for ages, we are being discerning, that's why we couldn't rightly swllow a lot of things U2 was quoted as saying regarding spiritual things! That could have been the clumsy way reporters tried to put words in people's mouths too. But yeah, when even those who are most likely to accept a person as a Christian in spite of their failings start sighing over someone's comments, you know there's a problem. Again, that could have largely been due to the way in which someone was quoted. But I don't think you can say we haven't been applying the "test all things" principle.

[Cleombrotus]

You see, that's where I am baffled. No one has offered any valid criticisms.

Thomas offered very valid criticisms, as did 7th Angel. Micah4's, while not technically a criticism, contained very valid points which those on the receiving end of your indignation could certainly have used in their defense, if they were so inclined. You may not agree with those criticisms, as you obviously do not, but they were valid.

They other thing is the spirit of division that is offered. A man joyfully relates an encouter with our God in orthodox and beautiful terms and our first response is to tear down? That seems counter to the spirit of Phil. 2.

Questioning the spirits is not contrary to sound judgement, Pilg. In fact, it is advised.

[Cleombrotus]

Now what are you doing going and messing up a perfectly good thread with talk about Calculus...jeesh :penggrin:...sorry, back to the discussion.

Cleombrotus, (is it okay to shorten this to Cleo - I know one of these times I'll fat finger your name) -- In reading through the posts, I would agree with Kevin's take on what's been posted so far. (Still don't care much about the Calc analogy though...bad memories ).

I do want to say I appreciate your sticking around to share your thoughts, usually these type of discussions fall apart rapidly and disovle into "you're wrong...no, you're wrong" posting wars. The tone of this thread has been pleasant, even as everyone tries to get a handle on where each other stands on the issue.

Cleo is fine, eudyptes.

[Pilgrim]

No one has offered a valid criticism of Bono's words from the OP with the exception of Kevin and Ryo. Everything else has been based on opinions of rock and music or of Bono himself and most of that has been pretty ill informed at that.

[Cleombrotus]

And I don't think anyone is suggesting that this is the case. I think it's more of a situation of we're glad the kid passed his basic math exam & you are hand-wringing that he hasn't gotten into Calculus yet.

Kevin,

A few years ago I attended a Promise Keepers convention in Philadelphia. Something like 40,000 men, reportedly, were there; most of them middle age.
About the middle of the second day a young guy named Michael J. Smith came out onstage ( yes, onstage) with his guitar and, with the Promise Keepers band as backup, played some pieces from his most recent album (I guess) and them gave a short and theologically sound inspirational message to a good round of applause.

Everyone was highly impressed that a musician of his stature was there. (I had never heard of him at the time) I could only scratch my head and wonder what the qualifications, besides being a successful musician able to play guitar and write songs, were necessary to address 40,000 Christian men, many of whom had probably been Christians longer than he had been alive.

I was equally mystified that so many were agog and atwitter.

I have never attended another Promise Keepers convention.

[Cleombrotus]

No one has offered a valid criticism of Bono's words from the OP with the exception of Kevin and Ryo. Everything else has been based on opinions of rock and music or of Bono himself and most of that has been pretty ill informed at that.

Maybe his words aren't the issue?

[Cleombrotus]

Maybe his words aren't the issue?

No. I take that back. I just re-read the words of the OP. Thomas' criticism is exactly valid. I have real problems with his statement.

[eudyptes]

Kevin,

A few years ago I attended a Promise Keepers convention in Philadelphia. Something like 40,000 men, reportedly, were there; most of them middle age.
About the middle of the second day a young guy named Michael J. Smith came out onstage ( yes, onstage) with his guitar and, with the Promise Keepers band as backup, played some pieces from his most recent album (I guess) and them gave a short and theologically sound inspirational message to a good round of applause.

Everyone was highly impressed that a musician of his stature was there. (I had never heard of him at the time) I could only scratch my head and wonder what the qualifications, besides being a successful musician able to play guitar and write songs, were necessary to address 40,000 Christian men, many of whom had probably been Christians longer than he had been alive.

I was equally mystified that so many were agog and atwitter.

I have never attended another Promise Keepers convention.

I know this was addressed to Kevin, but I'd like to ask a question. If the message was theologically sound, why did his "stature" come into play? Or his age? I'm not sure I get the point you're trying to make here.
(And in reviewing the post, I guess I asked more than A question...)

[Kevin Wayne]

Kevin,

A few years ago I attended a Promise Keepers convention in Philadelphia. Something like 40,000 men, reportedly, were there; most of them middle age.
About the middle of the second day a young guy named Michael J. Smith came out onstage ( yes, onstage) with his guitar and, with the Promise Keepers band as backup, played some pieces from his most recent album (I guess) and them gave a short and theologically sound inspirational message to a good round of applause.

Everyone was highly impressed that a musician of his stature was there. (I had never heard of him at the time) I could only scratch my head and wonder what the qualifications, besides being a successful musician able to play guitar and write songs, were necessary to address 40,000 Christian men, many of whom had probably been Christians longer than he had been alive.

I was equally mystified that so many were agog and atwitter.

I have never attended another Promise Keepers convention.

Such is your elitism...



Man, this thread has gotten bo-ring...! Anyone wanna join me in reading some karl Barth?

[TheAnalogman]

I've enjoyed the snippets I've read from Barth. What shall we read next?

[Kevin Wayne]

I've enjoyed the snippets I've read from Barth. What shall we read next?

This is pretty good:


Secularization and Sanctification



A Study of Karl Barth's Doctrine of Sanctification

and Its Contextual Application to the Korean Church



http://jsrhee.hihome.com/dissintro.htm




I've read a couple of sections in Chapter 2 that interested me, and now i'm going to slowly try to digest the contents of Ch 3.