Indiana's governor signs bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

[Paprika]

Seriously, Leonhard, chill ... we don't burn people at the stake for disagreement, and never will.

Yes, your lot prefers lawsuits and lynch mobs.

[seer]

Seriously, Leonhard, chill ... we don't burn people at the stake for disagreement, and never will. That's too Catholic.

No you just ruin people financially:

The owners of an Oregon bakery learned Friday that there is a severe price to pay for following their Christian faith. A judge for the Oregon Bureau of Labor and Industries (BOLI) recommended a lesbian couple should receive $135,000 in damages for their emotional suffering after Sweet Cakes by Melissa refused to make them a wedding cake. As a result – Aaron and Melissa Klein could lose everything they own — including their home. The Oregonian reports the recommended penalty is not final and could be raised or lowered by State Labor Commissioner Brad Avakian.

http://nypost.com/2015/04/26/christi...r-gay-wedding/

[MaxVel]

Only by philosophical argument and, as Wittgenstein says, there are no realms of phenomena whose study is the special business of a philosopher, and about which he or she should devise profound a priori theories and sophisticated supporting arguments. There are no startling discoveries to be made of facts, not open to the methods of science, yet accessible "from the armchair" through some blend of intuition, pure reason and conceptual analysis. Indeed the whole idea of a subject that could yield such results is based on confusion and wishful thinking.

As for your "revealed mystery of the Trinity", it only arose in its current confused mess to counter the multitude of Christological heresies which lasted well into the 5th century.

Ignoramus. Using armchair philosophy to deny that philosophy is useful.

"Philosophy always buries its undertakers,"

[Juvenal]

Yes, your lot prefers lawsuits and lynch mobs.

While burning people at the stake was predominantly Catholic, lynch mobs were predominantly Protestant. I'm tempted to say something about who the lawyers are, but that stereotype is too Paprika for me.

[Sparko]

Seriously, Leonhard, chill ... we don't burn people at the stake for disagreement, and never will. That's too Catholic.

You really like to nanny people, don't you? Maybe it's the school teacher in you.

[rogue06]

You really like to nanny people, don't you? Maybe it's the school teacher jerk in you.

FIFY n/c

[One Bad Pig]

Seriously, Leonhard, chill ... we don't burn people at the stake for disagreement, and never will. That's too Roman.

fify n/c

[seer]

Some sanity...

http://www.adfmedia.org/News/PRDetail/9254

Ky. court upholds freedom of printers not to print

ADF attorneys represent Lexington printer Hands On Originals
Monday, April 27, 2015

Attorney sound bite: Jim Campbell | Video: B-roll (2012)

LEXINGTON, Ky. – A Kentucky court ruled Monday that a Lexington printer is free to decline to print messages that conflict with his religious beliefs and that the government cannot force him to do otherwise.

The Lexington-Fayette Urban County Human Rights Commission ruled last year that Blaine Adamson of Hands On Originals must print messages that conflict with his faith on shirts that customers order from him. Alliance Defending Freedom attorneys representing Adamson appealed the ruling to the Fayette County Circuit Court, which has now reversed the commission’s decision.

“The government can’t force citizens to surrender free-speech rights or religious freedom in order to run a small business, and this decision affirms that,” said ADF Senior Legal Counsel Jim Campbell, who argued before the court in Hands On Originals v. Lexington-Fayette Urban County Human Rights Commission. “The court rightly recognized that the law protects Blaine’s decision not to print shirts with messages that conflict with his beliefs, and that no sufficient reason exists for the government to coerce Blaine to act against his conscience in this way.”

[seer]

Yes I phrased this badly. I see this as being about the evolved behavioural instincts of social species such as us towards community living. The demonstrable fact is that homosexual behavior is relatively commonplace among the primates and appears to have a distinct social function, e.g. among our close relatives the Bonobo’s.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/worl...icle-1.1273287

So because we find this behavior in nature it is good or normative for human beings? BTW - you will not find anal copulation among higher primates. At least there, they have more sense than us.

[Sam]

Some sanity...

http://www.adfmedia.org/News/PRDetail/9254

As predicted by the model that distinguishes between speech and generic ("vanilla") service. Judge made the right call.

[seer]

As predicted by the model that distinguishes between speech and generic ("vanilla") service. Judge made the right call.

But he printed custom tee shirts. That was his generic service. And how would there be a sufficient reason for the government to coerce a baker to act against his conscience?

[Sam]

But he printed custom tee shirts. That was his generic service. And how would there be a sufficient reason for the government to coerce a baker to act against his conscience?

We've been over this: the company was asked to publish the speech of another. You can't be forced (in most cases - Nutrition labels, cancer warnings, etc. as exceptions) to publish the speech of another.

A generic product of service is not "speech" in the legal sense applied to such protections. Unless you're writing or drawing something on a cake, it ain't speech.

So, as I said, the few cases of people's 1st Amendment protections actually being violated have been or will be overturned.

[Sparko]

But he printed custom tee shirts. That was his generic service. And how would there be a sufficient reason for the government to coerce a baker to act against his conscience?

Different states.

[Juvenal]

Seriously, Leonhard, chill ... we don't burn people at the stake for disagreement, and never will. That's too Catholic.

You really like to nanny people, don't you?

[Sparko]

Because you keep doing it. You are not the tweb police or the tweb nanny so get over yourself.