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Ted Cruz signs on to ObamaCare!
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Originally posted by Sam View PostLast I read, Cruz said he "assumed" that he would be using the exchanges and was "transitioning to do just that" or something very similar. I can guarantee that he won't keep his kids unprotected -- he's an ideologue but he's not stupid.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostSo, I think this is a bit premature. Obamacare is not his only option."I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Originally posted by Sam View PostYeah, until Cruz shows any more detail than a "sell across state lines!" proposal, I'll maintain it's a fact. This isn't the first week that Cruz has proposed repealing Obamacare, you know!
Is that like "you can keep your healthcare plan - period ---------------- well, if we like it"?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNo it isn't, its just the one he likes best, for himself that is.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYou don't know that, Jimmy --- unless you can show that he has actually made that decision.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostSo, you're walking that back from "without providing any sort of alternative"?
Is that like "you can keep your healthcare plan - period ---------------- well, if we like it"?
Without any sort of alternative healthcare reform proposal, CP. For the 16 million people who got covered thanks to the ACA."I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Originally posted by JimL View PostStop defending the defensless CP.
He said it on live tv
that he fully intended to enroll himself
and his wife in the exchange. If he hasn't already, or if he changes his mind because of the backlash, doesn't really matter does it?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Sam View PostWithout any sort of alternative healthcare reform proposal, CP. For the 16 million people who got covered thanks to the ACA.
http://www.cruz.senate.gov/files/doc...are_Choice.pdf
You claimed he hadn't provided "any sort of alternative". Why don't you just admit that was an inaccurate statement?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThat's not what you said, Sam. And what's wrong with buying insurance over state lines?
http://www.cruz.senate.gov/files/doc...are_Choice.pdf
You claimed he hadn't provided "any sort of alternative". Why don't you just admit that was an inaccurate statement?
And that's true. Cruz hasn't put forth anything that could even pretend to be a policy statement. It's just another undetailed, unscorable "proposal" that lists GOP talking points but doesn't have anything specific that can be critiqued (because that means it can be criticized). I'll change my statement there when Cruz puts out something with at least a tenth of the "meat" that's in the ACA or at least has something that can be analyzed to determine who would lose/gain/pay more/pay less for coverage."I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Originally posted by Sam View PostI'm not walking that back: it seemed that you were referring to Cruz's personal alternatives, while I was referring to a policy alternative.
And he HAS announced an alternative to OBAMACARE if repealed - you just don't like what he proposed.
And that's true. Cruz hasn't put forth anything that could even pretend to be a policy statement.
Look, for the record - I personally don't even like Cruz, and I don't think he has a prayer for winning a presidential election. But I think, as I said, this whole thing is a bit premature.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI'm not defending the defenseless, Jimmy -- I'm asking you to back up your claim that it's a done deal.
I don't trust you - you don't have a very good record for being correct. I need proof.
An actual cite, please.
Yes, it matters -- your claim was "Ted Cruz signs on to ObamaCare!" I don't know that this is true. In fact, the way you worded it makes it sounds like he AGREES with it "signs on to" rather than "signed up for", but that just may be your inability to clearly communicate.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostWhat he said CP, is that his intention was to enroll in the exchange,
government subsidy and all.
He has since, due to the backlash, walked that back, claiming that, though he will still enroll in the exchange, he won't accept the subsidy. But there is nothing compelling him to enroll in the exchange in the first place. He is perfectly free to buy his insurance in the private marketplace like he is advising everyone else to do.
Don't you find that to be hypocritical?
Btw, it'll take you about 2 seconds
to google his cnn interview with Dana Bash to see what he actually said if you don't believe me.
What you need to show is that he actually "signed on", like you claimed he did.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostWhat he said CP, is that his intention was to enroll in the exchange
This is like your goofy claim that there's "no mechanism for people to give money to the government".
Check your PinkoCommieCentral talking points, Jimmy - I think they may have retracted what they faxed you 2 days ago.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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