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People! Please get your facts right! Just because you read that an Islamic scholar thinks the world is flat, it doesn't mean that he does.
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Zakir Naik doesn't believe that, but there are certainly some fanciful beliefs that are said to come from Mohammed, or from his contemporaries. Of course, whether these traditions really do go back that far is questionable. However, they were held to by many early Islamic scholars. An list would be here, and and example here.Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View Post -
That's what I don't get. There are so many similar arguments to make that are true...Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard RavenhillComment
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People who make this kind of thing realize that people aren't too likely to go and look it up. In this case, it's involving someone who is a bit more in the spotlight now. This makes it look like such beliefs are held by someone considered to be a reputable Muslim scholar in today's day and age. Since it's not being checked out like it should be, the damage is being done. It hits harder for those who aren't checking it out, and unfortunately that's far more than it should be.Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
Oh, and I read Zakir's apologetic on a flat earth for the Quran. I don't find it too convincing. Especially the egg part. If what I've read is true, this goes back to a saying about how ostriches will bury an egg and flatten dirt around it to try and hide it from predators.Comment
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Also (and this probably is better for another thread)... to what extent does cosmological precision matter in Islam? I suppose it might be more important for Islam given the especially high standards placed upon its scriptures."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard RavenhillComment
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Well, given the Quran is said to be directly given to Mohammed by Gabriel, I'd say pretty high. Oh, and it does depend on which school of Islamic thought you are dealing with. Although, with this issue I've never seen any who didn't take it very seriously.Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
Yeah, probably better for another thread though. Other than going through my old sources, and going off my own memory(which can be rather hazardous
) I probably can't contribute too much. That first link I gave has some really good articles. They also have some stuff where they directly rebut articles written by certain more popular* Muslim apologists.
*This doesn't mean scholarly or credentialed, but they deal with them too.
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AP, did you mean "place" instead of "play"?Comment
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You mean everything I read on the internets isn't true?
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologistComment
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Everything you read on the internet is false, including this statement.Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostYou mean everything I read on the internets isn't true?
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A really good Bible scholar (Robert Gagnon) just posted an article on Facebookfrom a satire/fake news site claiming Hillary Clinton had an affair with Yoko Ono in the 1970s. I think Gagnon is a man of integrity and know he wouldn't have done it on purpose, but if even prominent Christians aren't checking their sources... we have a serious problem.
(I think focusing on people's alleged affairs in the 1970s undermines Christians' arguments that Josh Duggar should be forgiven, too.)"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard RavenhillComment
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Update: The post was deleted, but I think the responsible thing to do (especially if one has a prominent platform) is to subsequently acknowledge that an error was made, especially because several people had re-posted the article."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard RavenhillComment
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