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September 29th 2005, 12:39 PM #1
Christian Universalist Eternal Judgment
Greetings All
I have posted at this board from time to time since 2001.
In that short span of time many observations have been made about Christian Universalism. I will be the first to admit that within that general arena of Christian Universalism they are just as divided on many subjects as the Calvinist, the freewiller, or any other sect and there are reasons for these confusions.
If we as a believers do not understand the simplest principles behind these confusions how can there ever be cohesive doctrine?
There are enemies to God:
Matthew 13:39
The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
The enemy also has power granted by God:
1 Corinthians 15:26
The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
The Devil has children. These children of the devil are not the same as people. There are God's offspring, all people:
Acts 17: (Paul speaking to unbelievers)
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God,
Just as all of Israel are His offspring (Deut. 14:1, Psalm 82:6 and others)
The children of the devil are the tares that grow together with the wheat, all of mankind:
Matthew 13:
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
Now a person can decipher this parable in front of your eyes as this YET because it is parabolic of THINGS THAT CANNOT BE SEEN you may NEVER understand it, and that then is what is MEANT FOR YOUR anti-LIFE by GOD:
All people are God's Children. Overlayed in their flesh are CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL. You are no exception. All have sin and sin is of the devil.
So upon you O person of mankind, are two entities. One is an offspring of God. The other an offspring of satan. Both of you reside in ONE FLESH currently. A DEFILED TEMPLE are you ALL because you ALL still have sin and you still SIN.
God by The Hands of Jesus will SEPARATE the offspring of God from the children of the devil and the devil and his messengers shall go to the eternal flames. The children of God will go free OF THEM.
So to the children of the devil IN THE FLESH God's Word writes "ETERNAL DAMNATION."
And to the children of God The Word writes "PEACE ON EARTH GOODWILL TOWARD MEN!"
These are the two edges of The Sword of The Word wherein every word will be heard and understood.
BUT another phenomenon takes place whenever The Word is sown and THIS is why we ALL have confusions:
Matthew 13:
19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.
WHEN ANYONE HEARETH THE WORD THEN COMETH THE WICKED ONE!
This reality is just an everyday scriptural fact. If you don't DEAL with this TRUTH then you are already BLINDED.
Believers understand this one, and this applies even to the "saved."
1 John 5:19
And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
If you are here and you are reading this God has not taken you OUT of the WORLD. That means YOU ALSO lieth in wickedness.
And just how do we tell one child from another? Solomon with his threat of Sword splitting the child in half was VERY WISE:
1 John 3:
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Now the children of devils in you, the children of darkness are very wise as well, wiser than the children of light in this generation. THEY SAY I LOVE YOU while CONDEMNING YOU TO BURN ALIVE FOREVER.
These things are not right, you children of God.
The children of the devil WHO RESIDE IN YOUR FLESH are revealed when you desire to see YOUR FELLOW MAN BURNED. This is how I know who you are.
And these ones IN YOU are openly revealed.
These children of the devil shall be gathered up and BURNED and that HATE to hear that. They WANT you to be CONFUSED. This is what THEY DO.
There will be eternal damnation within the understanding of Christian Universalism. The devil and his offspring shall be burned in concious torment forever and ever and ever.
The offspring of God shall go free by The Word God has spoken through His Son.
If you do not openly acknowledge THE TRUE CONSTRUCTION of your body by The Creator, then you are A CHILD OF THE DEVIL.
Here is the testimony of smaller:
"Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit. And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world."
LOVE NEVER FAILS!
Most of you here have only found that broad path that leads to the destruction of your unsaved neighbor. SO WHAT?! God will judge the children of the devil in your body that has found that path.
Let the devils in you be warned. Jesus wist for a fire FOR YOU! But mankind shall be PRESERVED.
Your temple shall be destroyed and you shall be LEFT homeless and destitute!
God IS Love, and this LOVE is for HIS OFFSPRING.
enjoy!
smallerLast edited by smaller; September 29th 2005 at 12:49 PM.
Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. And we have seen and do testify that:
The Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world
and
HE HAS NOT, DOES NOT AND WILL NOT FAIL,
Love never fails.
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September 29th 2005, 12:40 PM #2
Re: Christian Universalist Eternal Judgment
Theologyweb didn't exist until January of 2003, so I have some trouble believing that statement.
Originally posted by smaller
If there is anything I’ve learned from both conservatives and liberals, it’s that we can have all the “right” answers and still be mean. And when you’re mean, it’s hard for people to listen to, much less desire, your truth.
-Shane Claiborne
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September 29th 2005, 12:42 PM #3
Re: Christian Universalist Eternal Judgment
I thought a new site was put up that replaced the prior one but if not I'm glad you garned the facts...;)
Originally posted by Amazing Rando
Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. And we have seen and do testify that:
The Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world
and
HE HAS NOT, DOES NOT AND WILL NOT FAIL,
Love never fails.
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September 29th 2005, 12:43 PM #4
Re: Christian Universalist Eternal Judgment
I think he's confusing us with the board-that-must-not-be-named.
Originally posted by Amazing Rando
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Over-the-road truck driver -
I log in when I can.
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September 29th 2005, 12:43 PM #5
Re: Christian Universalist Eternal Judgment
Nah, the old one's still there. But talking about it is anathema!
If there is anything I’ve learned from both conservatives and liberals, it’s that we can have all the “right” answers and still be mean. And when you’re mean, it’s hard for people to listen to, much less desire, your truth.
-Shane Claiborne
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September 29th 2005, 12:45 PM #6
Re: Christian Universalist Eternal Judgment
So there is a remote possibility that smaller was correct? go figure
Originally posted by Amazing Rando
Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. And we have seen and do testify that:
The Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world
and
HE HAS NOT, DOES NOT AND WILL NOT FAIL,
Love never fails.
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September 29th 2005, 12:45 PM #7
Re: Christian Universalist Eternal Judgment
Yes, but technically, it's not part of this site. The founders of this site were refugees from the old one.
If there is anything I’ve learned from both conservatives and liberals, it’s that we can have all the “right” answers and still be mean. And when you’re mean, it’s hard for people to listen to, much less desire, your truth.
-Shane Claiborne
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September 29th 2005, 12:47 PM #8
Re: Christian Universalist Eternal Judgment
So, do you understand the balance of the post? heh heh heh...I won't hold my breath.
Originally posted by Amazing Rando
Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. And we have seen and do testify that:
The Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world
and
HE HAS NOT, DOES NOT AND WILL NOT FAIL,
Love never fails.
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September 29th 2005, 12:52 PM #9
Re: Christian Universalist Eternal Judgment
Though my IP address is banned at the old site, I still go there from time to time with a floating IP just to check it out. Seems to me these days it's a lot less lively than it used to be. Kind of tired and worn out.
Originally posted by Amazing Rando
Like the Pilgrims of old, driven to a wilderness from their homeland, we're the new going concern now..
Over-the-road truck driver -
I log in when I can.
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September 29th 2005, 12:53 PM #10
Re: Christian Universalist Eternal Judgment
Yes, I follow. It's got basically the same message as most every other post you make to this site, filled with a dazzling (and distracting) array of typing in bold, underlining, and TYPING IN ALL CAPS, not to mention ye olde King James Version citations and selectively shallow exegesis.
Originally posted by smaller
I hope your thread is fruitful and productive! I don't have time for it now unfortunately, so I'll get out of the way now. Have a great day!If there is anything I’ve learned from both conservatives and liberals, it’s that we can have all the “right” answers and still be mean. And when you’re mean, it’s hard for people to listen to, much less desire, your truth.
-Shane Claiborne
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September 29th 2005, 12:55 PM #11
Re: Christian Universalist Eternal Judgment
I came to this site first about six months after the great exodus. I had never seen the old site before, but dropped in to check it out during the late great Mid-Acts Dispensationalism wars of 2004 here on Tweb. I can't believe the place is such a haven for that bizarre ideology and woeful hermeneutic.
Originally posted by Duder
If there is anything I’ve learned from both conservatives and liberals, it’s that we can have all the “right” answers and still be mean. And when you’re mean, it’s hard for people to listen to, much less desire, your truth.
-Shane Claiborne
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September 29th 2005, 12:58 PM #12
Re: Christian Universalist Eternal Judgment
When you have no critique about the bottom line I understand silence means consent...;)
Originally posted by Amazing Rando
Posting with caps and standards is only an opportunity to show the offense in men by drawing out the accusers....;)Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. And we have seen and do testify that:
The Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world
and
HE HAS NOT, DOES NOT AND WILL NOT FAIL,
Love never fails.
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September 29th 2005, 01:11 PM #13
Re: Christian Universalist Eternal Judgment
HELLO, SMALLER -
Originally posted by smaller
IT MIGHT "BE" THAT YOU HAVE SOME VERY GOOD POINTS. HOWEVER, STYLIZING THE TEXT APPEARANCE TOO MUCH CONFUSUES THE EYE AND MAKES YOUR POINTS HARDER TO "GLEAN"..
Over-the-road truck driver -
I log in when I can.
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September 29th 2005, 01:12 PM #14
Re: Christian Universalist Eternal Judgment
Originally posted by Duder
Hey Duder, remember Ezraarah?If there is anything I’ve learned from both conservatives and liberals, it’s that we can have all the “right” answers and still be mean. And when you’re mean, it’s hard for people to listen to, much less desire, your truth.
-Shane Claiborne
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September 29th 2005, 01:18 PM #15
Re: Christian Universalist Eternal Judgment
That's just another tool to show me who I'm dealing with Duder. I never gathered anything where the offender wasn't in the way...;)
Originally posted by Duder
Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. And we have seen and do testify that:
The Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world
and
HE HAS NOT, DOES NOT AND WILL NOT FAIL,
Love never fails.
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