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    Commentary thread - Hakeem vs. Boxing Pythagoras - did Jesus die on the cross?

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    So he got whipped and flayed, crucified for nine hours, and stabbed in the side. That's all? No wonder he got right back up after a few days rest.
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    Is he saying Jesus DID die, just not on the cross but by the spear?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesertBerean View Post
    Is he saying Jesus DID die, just not on the cross but by the spear?
    Quote Originally Posted by Hakeem View Post
    Therefore and at the request of the Pilate in Mark 15:44, the Centurion, in addition to the above cumulative above facts, pierced Jesus side with a spear and blood and water flowed from his side in John 19:34 proving that Jesus did not die when keeping in mind that he was on the cross for short period of 9 hours with his legs not broken, while the two crossmates legs were alive until their legs were broken to hasten their death ,and drink given to him to relieve him from pain and make him lose consciousness as explained above.

    Therefore, when he found out from the Centurion, Pilate gave the body according to Mark 15:45.


    With the cumulative facts stated above, I submit to you that Jesus did not die at in the process.

    I think he's trying to argue that Jesus only lost consciousness and that the fact that blood and water flowed from His side when He was pierced by the spear somehow proves that he wasn't dead. How he comes to that conclusion is beyond me though . He seems to be using arguments similar to the ones found in this article:

    http://www.themuslimtimes.org/2012/0...e-on-the-cross (Haven't checked the site thoroughly for questionable content, so visit at your own risk).

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    That's just it...he isn't very clear here just what he means...did Jesus die, just not of crucifixion, but rather by the spear? I do assume he, being Muslim, intended to mean Jesus didn't die at all. But he's not clear on that, so IDK.

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    He is saying he didn't die at all.
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    Is he serious? That was the most strung together bunch of half-proofs I've seen in a while...


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    Blood and serum flowing separately IS a sign that death has occurred. Even the Romans knew that.


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