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Radiocarbon Dating by Willard F Libby.
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Last edited by 37818; 04-05-2015, 01:59 AM.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostYou haven't sold the book very well so far.
I really do not care if anyone else buys a copy. As far as I knew it was not available. I'm glad I was wrong.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostI have had the book in my hands. It was a library book. That Pomona library has since been closed.
The book documents that coal and oil having being carbon dated. While the accuracy had question marks. They were every one under 40,000 years. About 30,000 and under.
Nothing to indicate millions of years. This book is virtually impossible to find, little to wonder why.
Libby did not have AMS, so was forced to use large samples and to count the radiocarbon atoms which decayed. This severely limited his ability to date old samples (like coil and oil). Libby did not have calibrations based on dendrochronology, so was forced to make estimates which and assumptions which were not quite correct and which are no longer made (e.g. decay rate, constant radiocarbon level in the atmosphere).
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostWhat is amusing is how quickly that they embrace radiocarbon dating when it verifies that the Dead Sea Scrolls are a couple thousand of years old or when it shows that various copies of Biblical texts come from the 3rd or 4th century Ad rather than the Medieval period as some fringe scholars claimed. But the moment that it shows that something is older than 6 or 10,000 years it morphs into a tool of the devil never to be trusted.
The War Scroll has nonkosher survival things like eating one's own feces, and drink one's own urine. These people fooled themselves into think they were Jews. But they didn't strangely pretend to be Israelites.
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The people of the Bar Kochba revolt fooled themselves into thinking they were just Israelites of Judah. It seems the Dead Sea Scrolls were written by them, and not during the time of the messiah Yeshu. Why is the carbon date estimate too old then?
It could be off by 10% by the way average life of 14C is set. Lambda is stretched out along too exponential points making it less than the instantaneous rate at domain 0. It is also ridiculous to think the average decay life lengthens overtime, how as there is an equilibrium of decay with parent production. It is likely 10% off, because logarithmic decay, whether asymptotic or not, is assumed. But the decay is linear, since production and decay are equal.
But there is also another issue to consider. The parchment, and the papyrus if any, may be older then the ink on the scrolls.
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Most of your message is indecipherable gibberish. But this I understand:
decay is linear, since production and decay are equal
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Originally posted by Omniskeptical View PostThe people of the Bar Kochba revolt fooled themselves into thinking they were just Israelites of Judah. It seems the Dead Sea Scrolls were written by them, and not during the time of the messiah Yeshu.
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Originally posted by JonF View PostMost of your message is indecipherable gibberish. But this I understand:
Total 14C in the atmosphere is constant when the amount produced is equal to the amount that decays. But in objects that are dated with 14C there is no significant amount of production, there's just decay, so the amount of 14C in the object decays ... ta da... exponentially.
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Originally posted by sfs1 View PostIt may seem that way to you, but not to most experts.
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Originally posted by Omniskeptical View PostAnd your statement proves what exactly? The rate of production doesn't outpace the rate of decay. So average rate is not exponential. Think about it.
When a plant dies, it stops taking in new radiocarbon from the atmosphere. When an animal dies, it stops taking in new radiocarbon from plants. The rate of radiocarbon decay stays constant, so the amount (or concentration) of radiocarbon in the organism decays. The amount (or concentration) of radiocarbon in the organism at any time thus follows an exponential decay curve.
A constant decay rate for radiocarbon produces an exponential decay in the amount (or concentration) of radiocarbon at any time. This is just basic calculus. Is this where you are confused?
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Originally posted by Omniskeptical View PostReading the War Scroll, one gets the impression that these people are not Israelites. Were Israelites known to eat feces and drink urine? Why did they feel their God was unsuccessful when their god had already raised the last messiah from death. Why are the messiahs predicted in the old testament like Akiba and Bar Kochba? Son of the Star, what kind of name is that anyway? How does one explain Israel existing supposedly past its last days?
Finally, just what does any of this have to do with the reliability of the radiocarbon dating?Last edited by rogue06; 04-08-2015, 12:32 PM.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostIt looks like they're describing act of desperation committed during times of war much like Jeremiah 19:9; Lamentations 2:20; 4:10; Ezekiel 5:10 does. And look at some of the names in the Old Testament. And not being Christian they rejected Jesus as the Messiah.
(10) Israel, for it is a day appointed by Him from ancient times as a battle of annihilation for the Sons of Darkness. On that day the congregation of the gods and the congregation of men shall engage one another, resulting in great carnage. (11) The Sons of Light and the forces of Darkness shall fight together to show the strength of God with the roar of a great multitude and the shout of gods and men; a day of disaster.
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