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Revelation 1:7, and the "seeing"

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  • Revelation 1:7, and the "seeing"

    "Look, he is coming with the clouds," and "every eye will see him, even those who pierced him"; and all peoples on earth "will mourn because of him." So shall it be! Amen." Revelation 1:7

    In my attempt to get my mind around preterism, this seems to be another "stumbling" verse for me.

    So my questions are: can the Greek words for "eye" and "see" be understood in a non-literal sense? Are there cases where those Greek words are used in a non-literal sense?

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    Originally posted by Leaf View Post
    "Look, he is coming with the clouds," and "every eye will see him, even those who pierced him"; and all peoples on earth "will mourn because of him." So shall it be! Amen." Revelation 1:7

    In my attempt to get my mind around preterism, this seems to be another "stumbling" verse for me.

    So my questions are: can the Greek words for "eye" and "see" be understood in a non-literal sense? Are there cases where those Greek words are used in a non-literal sense?

    I think that both are used non-literally in Revelation 3:18 (NASB).

    I advise you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself, and that the shame of your nakedness will not be revealed; and eye salve to anoint your eyes so that you may see.

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    • #3
      Greek words for "eye" and "see"

      Originally posted by Leaf View Post
      "Look, he is coming with the clouds," and "every eye will see him, even those who pierced him"; and all peoples on earth "will mourn because of him." So shall it be! Amen." Revelation 1:7

      In my attempt to get my mind around preterism, this seems to be another "stumbling" verse for me.

      So my questions are: can the Greek words for "eye" and "see" be understood in a non-literal sense? Are there cases where those Greek words are used in a non-literal sense?
      From BDAG:
      ὀφθαλμός (eye)
      2. mental and spiritual understanding, eye, understanding[b][color=red]the eyes of the heartit is hidden from the eyes of your mind Lk 19:42 (cp. Sir 17:15). ἐν ὀφθαλμοῖς (LXX; s. Thackeray 43): ἔστιν θαυμαστὴ ἐν ὀφθαλμοῖς ἡμῶν it is marvelous in our sight (=in our judgmentὁράω (see)
      4. to be mentally or spiritually perceptive, perceivenotice, perceive, understand εἰς χολὴν πικρίας . . . ὁρῶ σε ὄντα I perceive that you have fallen into the gall of bitterness (i.e. bitter jealousy) Ac 8:23. οὔπω ὁρῶμεν αὐτῷ τὰ πάντα ὑποτεταγμένα we do not yet see everything subjected to him Hb 2:8. W. acc. and inf. foll. Dg 1. W. ὅτι foll. (M. Ant. 9, 27, 2; Philo, Migr. Abr. 46; Just., D. 23, 3 al.) Js 2:24; 1 Cl 12:8; 23:4; 44:6. W. indir. quest foll. 1 Cl 16:17; 41:4; 50:1; B 15:8; Dg 7:8. W. direct discourse foll. ὁρᾶτε 1 Cl 4:7.
      b. with focus on cognitive aspect: look at or upon ὄψονται οἷς οὐκ ἀνηγγέλη περὶ αὐτοῦ they who have never been told of (Christ) shall look upon him

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      • #4
        As a supplement or addendum to my prior post above, consider the usage of ὁράωSeesee one of the days of the Son of Man, but you will not see it.

        John 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not seesee

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        • #5
          Sorry I forgot to say "thank-you" (it didn't occur to me till now, for some reason.) But I do appreciate the input. thank you both.

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