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Statement of Faith discussion: Salvation of man
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Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostWe believe sinners cannot be saved by any work of their own.
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostWe believe that Christ’s sacrifice was sufficient to purchase our salvation when we believe in Him with a real and genuine faith
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We are saved by grace, and not by our own power. Leo my understanding was always the natural works have no power on their own we can do nothing apart from the Grace of Christ but we should strive to live our salvation through prayer and works of faith lest we be disqualified or fall into mortal sin. I have no problem recognizing Christ's work on the cross is where this grace comes from.A happy family is but an earlier heaven.
George Bernard Shaw
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But women are all OK, right?
I'm kinda just posting for the little green checkmark so that I spot this thread more easily in the new posts search-- I'm not studied up on soteriology as much as I should be, and I may have to wait until my memories of apologetics r.e. salvation come back to me.Don't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.
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Originally posted by Spartacus View PostBut women are all OK, right?
I'm kinda just posting for the little green checkmark so that I spot this thread more easily in the new posts search-- I'm not studied up on soteriology as much as I should be, and I may have to wait until my memories of apologetics r.e. salvation come back to me.
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostSalvation of Man
We believe all men have sinned and fallen short of God's glory and that all men are in need of salvation. We believe sinners cannot be saved by any work of their own. The Good News of Christ's death, burial, and resurrection is the only power that can change sinners and give them eternal life. We believe that Christ’s sacrifice was sufficient to purchase our salvation when we believe in Him with a real and genuine faith"For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6
"Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostThis might be the statement where the rubber will hit the road for Catholics and Orthodox, as there needs to be a conversion of life in response to coming to faith.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostIn my opinion, there cannot be a real and genuine faith without a conversion of life. True faith will naturally produce works.
Not even Luther, who was adamant that it is faith alone which justifies, went so far as to suggest that genuine faith would not result in works. Instead his position was that true faith cannot but result in works, as his introduction to Romans show:
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostBeing a fledgling Catholic who's just getting his sea legs, I'd need Spartacus to vouch for this one, but as far as I understand Catholic doctrine this statement is not inconsistent with Catholic thought. Our works have natural merit on its own, but only supernatural merit imparted to them by Christ, when we do them in a state of grace.
I think that is what the Council of Trent teaches on these matters, paraphrased.
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