Angelic Messages - And End Of The Age

[mercia]

Hello All.

I am interested in hearing from anyone else who has had matter of fact conversations with angels. Especially relating to prophecy/eschatology.

In 1982, when I was 12 years old. I had a incredbile experience at the UK papal visit at Baginton Coventry, that my whole life is based upon. Where I had a matter of fact conversation with a angel of Jesus on two occassions for what seemed like around 10 minutes apart, and was at the same time shown images of my future. As I say, this happened in 1982, here is my testimony in brief, though I have left out many things the angel said. And questions I asked him. If interested I will post or email....

My dad was joint head security for (insp. Trevor David Brown) as head at the time of UK tactical firearms, with another special operations high ranking policeman called Frank Garret for what was, up until then, one of the biggest security operations in recent times (in the UK). The 1982 papal visit.
It was during papal mass that I had an experience my whole today is based upon (I gave up everything to write about it, and prophecy)... although no one has read it yet. It also centred around the Christadelphians, and my later experiences with them (in particular one of them).
I will try and explain briefly - though I have written 27 pages about this in minute detail and will forward if interested. And over well over a thousand pages about prophecy.

This is what happened.
I was 12 years of age at the time - my family were Catholics. And we were 'lucky' enough to be right at the very front in the VIP section because, like I say, my dad was in charge of security for this papal visit (at the time he was special protection officer also for Margaret Thatcher and also did Reagon on UK visits) amongst others.
My dad was on the side of the pope mobile, and his job was to basically shoot anyone trying to assassinate the pope, or preferably run at them waving his arms (to put them off from hitting the pope) as firing into a crowd of 300,000 is not the best idea, and/or to jump on the pope and absorb the bullet himself. Anyway he was very pumped up for this, and told me later he would have died doing his duty if necessary, and he was type that would have, although as a protestant (though not a religious man) he had no particular regard for the pope, and later told me - after meeting him he "thought he was the devil", and my father was not the superstitious sort. Anyway this papal visit was the largest security operation the UK had ever seen at the time (it was one of the first, or the first after the assasination attempt). My dad was constantly being briefed by American Secret Service on potential threats and worked with them (I always thought it strange afterwards that the American S/S were so involved in the protection of the pope behind the scenes). My dad told me he was told things he would never be able to tell anyone - by them at the time. Whatever he was told he later came to the opinion (that night) that he [the papacy] was the devil. But that will have also because of what happened to me.....I will explain
It was a sunny day, there where about 300,000 people their - all come to worship the papacy. Many had slept their for days to get a good view. Like I say, I was 12 years of age, and because my dad was in charge of security, we were in the VIP section right at the front. My grandmother (a lovely women) but a traditional catholic with pictures of John Paul all over the house and no real sense of the bible, was sitting next to me. As we were waiting for the pope to turn up, and getting very excited about seeing Gods representative on earth. I was quizzing my grandmother about whether the pope was more important than Jesus (i.e as he is seen and Jesus is not etc), at the time I was getting confused as to who was more important, Jesus or the Pope, as we waited with excitement for the pope to appear. The conclusion we came to (remember please I was 12) - was that the papacy was the same as Jesus, - i even said something like - so whats the point of Jesus when we have the papacy on earth? Anyway, proceedings began and after a certain amount of time, whilst looking at the huge stage infront of me the most incredible experience of my life occurred, something that I know I should be truly grateful for (as the Lord has given me many talents).
At the back to the right of the stage (my right/popes left), I could see (and the only way to describe it - was a black humanoid with a bird like head, - looked like a raven).
I could see this as clearly as I could see any of the cardinals or the pope infront of me - their was no distinction between the two. This was no blurry vision. I was only about 200 yards at most from the front of the stage (like I say I was in the VIP section right at the front) and it was a sunny day - everything was perfectly clear. ....
As I looked at this humanoid bird like man all in black, I was focussing on its/his eyes, as you do when you look at a person. And I can remember them perfectly - they were big and yellowish in colour (just like the eyes of a bird), and I could see exactly where he was looking. Suddenly it occurred to me he was looking out upon the massive crowd, and trying to work out who could see him. Thats when I knelt on the floor and hid behind the man in front of me, sort of peeping over his shoulder and saying "the Devils here". At this time, I would say around 10-20 adults were aware what was happening to me - there was a strict sort of Catholic nun type women who was tutting to my left about 5 seats on the row infront, and then this sort of intellectual type man (I always have him in my mind as a sort of important intellectual type man or theologian type) whose arm I was holding to, he was in the seat in front of me - he was taking what was happening and what I was saying seriously - I was a shy child, very shy and sensitive, and the thought of bringing attention to myself like this would have terrified me. The strict Catholic woman who began tutting at first would have presumed that is what I was doing - but i most certainly was not. Even though I was seeing this, I was still trying not to cause or bring attention to myself and was almost whispering what I was seeing in the mans ear who was infront of me. My grandmother was also saying "tell him what you are seeing, tell him what you are seeing" .After what must have been only about a minute, the man who sitting infront of me, who was taking what was happening and what i was telling him seriously started almost arguing with the tutting strict catholic nun type women, telling her to basically shut up - and he became very involved in what i was seeing/was happening. After what must have been about a minute, the large thick set raven (as in he looked like a bird) man - which was Satan (though I was never told this - it was Satan), and which is the only way I can describe him. Began to almost march forward to the left hand corner of the stage infront of me, (right hand side looking out), and as he came forward into the broad day sunlight - it seemed he was towering infront of me (and i have a picture of this in my head like a perfect photo) - though in reality he was just the size of a large man or perhaps a normal man, as his eyes later replaced the papacys - i will explain - as he came to the very front corner of the stage I was getting in a bad way, he was sort of marching, which is the impression i got, and when he reached the corner he did like a sort of sharp military turn... the impression i got at the time (and remember i was 12) was it was sort of a mix between hitler and darth vader, as he was all in black, almost like black leather - but with a sort of birds head. Anyway, when he turned i was looking at him from the side, and thats when I noticed he was sort of sliding his feet, as between them were chains - literally. At this stage I was too frightened to look at his face, so I was just looking at his feet and legs. By now he was walking (more like sliding his feet) accross the very front of the stage and was approaching the papacy and cardinals in the middle of the stage and I couldnt understand why the papacy and the cardinals couldnt see him. and that was making me panic even more (at this stage it is true to say I was gettinig in a real panic) as I had just realised no one else was seeing this, and started saying out load "wheres my dad, wheres my dad", as I was worried about him because of what i was seeing, and because previously he had been on the side of the pope mobile, and as the papacys bodyguard (albeit one of about 5 atleast) I knew he would be close... I think the star wars analagy was going through my head at the time (i know it sounds silly) but i was 12 and in 1979 this film sort of represented the fight in a young mind, between good and evil. When i see it now, I still think to myself, that is so close to what I felt I was seeing at the time - the imperial Roman Church trying to take over the world, Darth Vadar as Satan... etc. Though I know in truth no analagy that involves the death of millions of people "the blood of the martyrs of Jesus" can be made to a silly film... But in my childs mind at the time these were the comparisons that I was making according to what I have seen/had seen.

The next bit was the bit has changed my life forever...
At the time I had no idea that the cardinals and pope where preparing the papal mass as at every moment my eyes were fixed on Satan and his movements, from the back left hand side (my left) of the stage to the front and then across the front to the middle where the papacy and the cardinals where....I realise now he had turned up for the papal mass.
When he got to the middle the cardinals or whoever they were, I got the impression they were passing around something to each other that was relative to the mass ?- i dont know what I am not familiar with the catholic mass, but there was what seemed like a huddle of about 6 or seven cardinals I suppose they where? infront of the papacy and the altar. Satan was right in the middle of them, and the only way i can describe it, is that he was 'transposed', which is the only way to describe it, transposed over each cardinal as they passed whatever it was to each other in preperation for the mass (so it was in effect Satan preparing the mass) - and it would be Satan that concluded it.... I will explain...but basically - it was as if at the moments before the final act of the papal mass Satan was in possession of them.
At that moment I was crying out load, something like 'they cant see him, they cant see him', I can remember feeling terrorfied that I was the only one seeing this [and by now i was really terrorfied], as it was only around now, or a few seconds earlier I realised no one else was seeing this. I was still holding on to the mans arm infront and my grandmother (who knew me better than anyone really, and she knew I was not the sort of child that would be making something like this up) - she was also getting in a panick. The guy infront was great, he was constantly asking what i was seeing now etc, and this whole experience must have in part - also been for him. The next time I looked up, a few seconds later to see what was happening, the pope was just starting to hold the Golden Cup in the air, and at the moment he held the cup in the air. (Satan was transposed on top of him) - Let me explain this bit better - when i looked back up (I kept looking away and looking again as I was scared), when I looked back for a second or two I could not see Satan, and I can remember looking at the papacys eyes. It was then that his eyes (and whole body) became totally overshadowed, and while a ssecond ago I was looking at the John Pauls eyes, where they where all I could see was the big yellow eyes bird like of Satan, but this time they looked totally different, they looked really cruel. And I mean really cruel. It was like he was thriving on it.
At the precise moment the pope lifted the golden cup in the air, it was Satan holding the cup in the air, and the whole stage, which was massive, behind went dark and all I could see, as if piled on top of each other, were what looked like human bats, and there was like a noise of what I have always thought was wings, but i dont know if that was what was making the noise for sure, it was like they were applauding. I have this burned in my head like a photo, as if it happened yesterday, though this was 20 years ago now.
At that moment I shouted out load in a sort of agonizing way (as this, I sensed was my worst fear) "its the pope, its the pope" and I fell to the floor and curled up in a ball and started screaming internally. I have never felt anything like that before, it was like I was dying in my mind, I was also screaming to God for help in my mind. I think also because I thought i had just seen Satans victory over God. But within what must have been no more than a few seconds, I felt like what can only be described as a hand in my solar plexis area, literally physically lift me off the floor, and put me back on my chair. And from going from utterly terrorfied and demoralised beyond anything I have experienced before (or words can adequately describe) - I was instantly fine. I had been picked up of the floor by a angel, and he had complete and instant control over my emotions. A analagy would be of a volume type switch, if 10 was utterly terrorfied and demoralised, and 0 was perfectly fine, then i had gone from 10 to 0 instantly. I had been picked up off the floor by a angel and he immediately began speaking to me. At no point could I see him, but he was right next to my right ear, and immediately began talking to me. Not as in a internal voice in my head, but a perfectly clear external voice right next to me just slightly above me. Everything he said to me, I instantly said out load to the adults that were listening.... It was as if I didnt want this experience I was having to be for me, and didnt expect it to be for me...(although because of what was said it was for me - later in my adult life), though it affected the lives of others who were there at the time...
So i was just instantly saying out load everything he (the angel said to me)... Anyway all that is another matter (and for another post if anyone is interested). He was however - the kindest and wisest sounding man I have ever heard. He was lovely - the kind of person I would love to have fellowship with and discuss religious studies with. He was interested in exactly that (theology/eschatology) and like me, agonised over the way some people [a specific church] perceive things in the Bible related to a specific matter (he talked with me about a Church that would save me as i would fall away in my adult life - it was the Christadelphians - and that I would have to write to them about applying the techniques of science) to form theology (i.e extrapolating in a dominant linear mode), amongst other stuff - and about what I had seen (as they dont believe in Satan - but the fact I was allowed on that day to see their mistake was for a message I have to deliver to them) - as there mistake here reveals by extension all their mistakes (i.e theological reductionism from the understanding of something in two modes, natural/literal, spiritual/symbollic to one mode) - which is there preferred mode based upon the pressuppositions they started with and that which they (want) to see in the Word.
I dont think he was one of the angels mentioned in the bible, that is not the impression I got? The impression I got was of a sort of recently deceased english theologian type, who was present at the UK papal mass (the only one in decades) because angels take a great interest in these things as we do I would presume. I might be wrong about that of course, i did not ask him, but he had modern english expressions of speech. He just sounded like a normal english man, but maybe about 60 years old, he had a very kind voice like I say, and for about 10 minutes he spoke to me, and I could ask him anything I like and he answered. Like i say it was an incredible once in a lifetime experience. If you are interested in everything that was said, I wrote a 27 page document about it in minute detail, though with a few personal things omitted [I am no one special] but rather a foolish thing in the eyes of this world.
I will send it if interested. No new revelations about the Bible where given or anything like that, no real times and dates or anything (apart from what I would write in my later life). All he really did is relay back to me stuff i already knew by the time I began to write about prophecy related matters. He told me he had been reading something I did not write until 1998. And alot of that he was quoting back to me. This was 1982. Infact the very first words he said to me where "I have been reading your book". I will not go into this now, and it sounds embarrassing, but it was because I would devote my life to writing about prophecy that I was allowed to see what I did in 1982, and because of who I would have to help (the Christadelphians). Its not a book that will ever be published and its not a book that many are going to read, unless i self publish it. Its a book I began writing for a small Church about prophecy in 1998 and that is who it is for - one of their theologians - or a specific man given a specific task. The angel gave me instructions. I am doing now what he told me to do.
He said it was "sad" what had happened to the Church of Rome, or rather that what I had seen was sad. I suppose sad that so many are deceived. The most important thing he said to me was "turn to (Jesus) with all your heart and mind". He said this 3 times while talking about the Christadelphians, and I have always taken that as a major hint (as they deny His deity).
But whenever I write about this, I always stress those words, those words are always with me above all "turn to Jesus with all your heart and mind". Which was very relative to what was happening that day (with tens of thousands turning to the papacy) but not knowing they were really turning to Satan - who was procuring worship unto himself through the papacy.
After what seemed like about 10 minutes he left... My nan was feeling sick (she was in shock) and wanted to go home, I told her everything was ok now and not to worry. The man infront of me said this had changed his life, and that someone had told him the papacy was in the Revelation 17, but he "was not sure about it". But that this had confirmed his suspicions and he "had no doubt about it now", so it changed lives of others who it was obviously also meant for. Obviously as a 12 year old child I had no idea at the time I had just been allowed to see Revelation 17:4. But he knew (the man infront) - as this was happening he said out load "there is a prophecy about this".
He also asked me if anyone else had seen what I had seen when i was still speaking with the angel. And I asked the angel this, and he said another boy had on a certain row number - at the end of the event he went to find him and then came back, confirmed to my nan and one or two other adults he had seen what i had seen as well, had a chat with him, and then thanked us and left. He was also given a name of something that would happen in 1986 that both he and my grandmother wrote down, I will tell you more about that if interested.
As I was walking out at the end, the angel returned, and I was really happy to hear him again. He said he had been finding out about me and then started to talk to me about things in my later life (I am by no means anyone special and he did make that clear), I am just someone who is given up his life to get help get this Church ready, and he told me what I would have to do, which would include getting my self together "you will have to get yourself together" i.e sort myself out - and that i would have to contact a person in a certain church and help them get ready for the judgement of the churches (this is incredibly soon now). And that I would have to go to America with this other person and get that church ready over their "as Jesus wants to find you doing good works with the zeal of the first century church", and that we were not to judge ourselves by her standerds (Rome) but the standards and zeal of the first century church (he said there was no real zeal anymore). Also that I would have a great interest in prophecy... and some negative personal things as well that I would have to overcome. Which left me in no doubt I am no one special.
As a child i was very pure, and close to God I felt. And I was just a person that would devote my later life to prophecy, and therefore as I was in the right place at the right time, I suppose - I was allowed to see Rev 17:4. And probably also to help my grandmother and the chap in front.. and the church I would have to contact and help which was the main bit.
If i have had this overwhelming experience, at every papal mass there simply must be others that have seen this ?
Satan is literally present at the papal mass, and is procuring worship unto himself through the papacy. Everytime you see a photo of John Paul holding that golden cup in the air, Satan is doing so at the same time though on the photo you cannot see this. Sometimes I stare at photos of the 1982 papal mass with the pope holding the golden cup in the air, and shivers run down my spine, as i know what the photo doesn't show - but is their.
Anyway, suffice to say - my Grandmother took all her images of the papacy down, and never again compared him to Jesus, I also sat in her kitchen a few days later, and was picked up a bible, turned to the Revelation and was compelled to show her Revelation 17:4 and to tell her and my grandfather that, that is what I had seen (or been allowed to see I should say). They were good people, and trusting. If this had not happened to me they would have never have understood. They were traditional Irish Catholics and didn't think you had to worry about reading the bible as the pope and catholic priests had done that.
I asked the angel at the end of the second conversation if I could forget about what I had seen, as i would be too scared at night time etc if i remembered it (i,e having seen Satan with my own eyes), and he said he would put "a veil of forgetfulness over me" until I once more turned to Jesus in my adult life. This was when I was 28. I fell away for many years, and when I was 28 (I am 31 now), I had taken a bible course at a local college, and once more believed again - he talked with me about those that once more turned me to Jesus in my later life - and the message I have is mainly for them (haven't wrote in this letter about that), and to prepare them, he said "it was a wonderful thing what they were doing up and down the country, turning people to Jesus". The night before my last seminar with them, I asked God to send His Spirit upon me, this is in 1998. And it was at that precise moment I could once more remember, and within a few days I could remember it as if it had happened yesterday - as was the intention. The angel said "you will be able to remember all of this then".

continued next post...

[mercia]

That night (the day of the papal visit), my gran came and fetched me out of bed at about 9.30 pm. Downstairs were lots of adults, and I can remember my dad standing by the fire place looking really serious. They were all looking at me, and my gran said "tell them what you saw", and I was feeling really sorry for myself and started crying. My mum was saying just leave him alone, and my gran and her started having a argument, she was saying ''Geraldine [my mums name] will you just let the boy speak". But my mum has always blocked this from her mind. She doesn't want to believe God exists, she is hard work. That night I can remember thinking that I didnt want any of this, by then I had started feeling pretty sorry for myself, and just wanted to be left alone, anyway I said out load amongst the tears "I saw the Devil, the pope was the Devil", and my dad just started nodding. (Something that happened to him that day had already made him come to that conclusion), he had met the pope and shook hands with him etc, and was obviously briefed on all the intelligence etc.. but I never got to ask him what. As he died at the age of 51 in 1992. But when I said "the Devil" he just nodded as if that is what he had been telling them (the other adults in the room that night), thats the impression I got anyway, that something had shocked him that day and he was telling them the pope was Satan. And i dont think that impression is wrong - as he said this again to me when i was about 17.
Anyway, I went back to bed, and was still feeling sorry for myself, I didn't want to talk about it anymore, but my gran came and sat next to me and began stroking my hair, saying 'dont worry i know what happened, just go to sleep now'. I remember saying 'Nan, I am going to be really poor when i grow up". Because during the second conversation with the angel, he was showing my pictures in my mind of where i was living at the time i turned back to Jesus (in about 18 years time from then), which was in a council house with no furniture in 1998.
Which is probably also why I was feeling sorry for myself, as we lived in a nice house in a nice area at the time. Anyway, as I lay in bed that night and as I was falling asleep, I said out load "ok i am ready to forget now". And I that morning I woke up, I would not remember what happened that day in 1982, until I uttered these words again in 1998 "please God send me your spirit".

I did have one other experience that must have been a few weeks or so later.
John Paul gave my dad some gold rosary beads and a sort of large papal medal for being his bodyguard etc, and we kept them in the cabinet downstairs - i still have them, or my brother does, i dont want anything to do them.
Anyway, I used to go down stairs and take them out the cabinet and sort of revere them as a child, and sort of pray to them (because the pope had touched them)... and one night (it must have been at night although it was so overwhelmingly powerful i got confused if i actually saw this or dreamt this - it was a vision), and the vision was of the rosary beads and papal medal both melting in the cabinet where they were, but as they melted they looked disgusting, and the cross started melting into a swastika.
This really disturbed me, as I thought of a cross as holy, and as a child I had no idea why the cross the pope gave my dad should melt in this vision into a swastika. Anyway, what must have been the next morning i went down to the cabinet and was amazed to see them just fine, like they always where, as this dream or vision was so powerful i could not distinguish it from waking reality. So i realised then what I had seen was a message but I was a child, I could just not understand it at all. So i took the papal medal out the cabinet and holding it in my hand said out load "please God tell me are these holy or not", and suddenly it felt absolutely disgusting in my hand, and i really do mean disgusting, and I shouted "yuk" out load and literally threw it across to the other side of the room. Later that day I prayed about the vision, and was told (though i cant remember how) but it was told overwhelmingly that it was for me to understand in my later life. I can remember suddenly feeling a huge weight lift of my shoulders instantly at that answer to my prayer, and I was really happy again, I said "thanks" and carried on playing...

That was about it until I was around about 17. I was in the kitchen with my dad, and for some reason we were talking about God. And I can remember saying to him "well you shook the popes hand did he feel all sort of warm and godly", and his reply kind of shocked me at the time, as he said "no he felt cold, I think he is the devil". This stopped me dead in my tracks so to speak, I knew what he was saying was right, but the veil had not been lifted and wouldn't be concerning what i saw until 10 years later. i can remember saying to him "well even if he is the devil, you were only doing your job'... then I made my excuses to leave, like i was frightened of the conversation... but i walked no more than a few steps before I stopped with my back to him, and said out load "I know something about that". I just froze on the spot for what must have been 30 seconds to a minute, never said a word, and then ran out the door.

Anyway, i thought I would share all this with you, as you too know the truth about these things.
I will just add that I am a deeply committed Christian. This is my life, and I know we are very close now. Proverbs say "a false witness shall perish", and knowing what I do I am not in the habit of committing suicide. Neither am i deluded - everything has been left in my mind as if it happened yesterday. Every word I have spoken to you happened, and happened exactly as relayed.

God bless
Russ

[Hitch]

This is my life, and I know we are very close now

You are very close to some one or some event is' very close now' ?

Take care

Hitch

[spl_cadet]

You suffered a demonic hallucination, not an angelic revelation, assuming that you are telling the truth.
No angel of the Lord would tell you to join a cultist group (Christadelphians).
There is no worship of the pope at a papal Mass. Similarly there is no worship of the priest during a regular Mass. Bit hard for Satan to take worship through someone not receiving it. The only things worshipped are the Body and Blood of Christ (we believe the bread and wine to be actually transformed into the Body and Blood of Jesus, and as Jesus is there, we worship).
Nor does God make someone fall away from the faith.
Finally, I find it suspicious that you claim that you forgot by God's power for 16 years. I am unaware of any such claim by anyone else, in the Bible or not.
Furthermore, I find the idea that finding someone's hand cold when it is shaken can lead someone to conclude that he is the Devil. I have cold hands, does that mean I am the devil? The pope is old, his circulation to the extremities has suffered.

[Solly]

I was 12 years of age at the time - my family were Catholics. And we were 'lucky' enough to be right at the very front in the VIP section because, like I say, my dad was in charge of security for this papal visit (at the time he was special protection officer also for Margaret Thatcher and also did Reagon on UK visits) amongst others.

Anyway he [Dad] was very pumped up for this, and told me later he would have died doing his duty if necessary, and he was type that would have, although as a protestant (though not a religious man) he had no particular regard for the pope, .... and my father was not the superstitious sort.

My grandmother (a lovely women) but a traditional catholic with pictures of John Paul all over the house and no real sense of the bible, was sitting next to me.

I got the impression they were passing around something to each other that was relative to the mass ?- i dont know what I am not familiar with the catholic mass, but there was what seemed like a huddle of about 6 or seven cardinals I suppose they where? infront of the papacy and the altar.

It's not a very consistant account; and that is just the first page.

[mercia]

Today @ 04:41 PM post located here
spl_cadet:

You suffered a demonic hallucination, not an angelic revelation, assuming that you are telling the truth.
No angel of the Lord would tell you to join a cultist group (Christadelphians).
There is no worship of the pope at a papal Mass. Similarly there is no worship of the priest during a regular Mass. Bit hard for Satan to take worship through someone not receiving it. The only things worshipped are the Body and Blood of Christ (we believe the bread and wine to be actually transformed into the Body and Blood of Jesus, and as Jesus is there, we worship).
Nor does God make someone fall away from the faith.
Finally, I find it suspicious that you claim that you forgot by God's power for 16 years. I am unaware of any such claim by anyone else, in the Bible or not.
Furthermore, I find the idea that finding someone's hand cold when it is shaken can lead someone to conclude that he is the Devil. I have cold hands, does that mean I am the devil? The pope is old, his circulation to the extremities has suffered.

> 1 - No it was not a "demonic hallucination". Do demons say "turn to Jesus with all your heart and mind"? There is plenty in those posts I did not mention. The angel also told me I would have to help get this Church ready "for the judgement of the Churches" which is very soon now - by getting them doing "good works for the poor with the zeal of the first century church". Everything I was told to do - by the angel, was along the lines of turning to Jesus, recovering lost zeal and helping the poor. I can assure you this man/angel of Jesus (was just about the kindest I have ever heard) was anything but a demon. I also noticed he could not lie to me, or would not lie to me as I asked him as many questions as I could think of at the time - about my mum and others I was shown.
2 - He did not tell me to "join a cultist group called the Christadelphians". What he said was. Is that it would be from one of their local maiilshots, (advertising a free Bible course at a local college), that I would once more - in my adult life "turn back to Jesus", i.e believe again - after they taught me the Genesis allegorys of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and things along those lines during the Bible course, which to be honest surprised me, because up until then I was of the opinion the Bible was silly and had nothing like this in it. This is when I asked for the Holy Spirit, and began praying again. I should also add that I am not a Christadelphian, but that they would "turn me back to Jesus" in my adult life. And that "it was a wonderful thing what they were doing up and down the country turning people to Jesus". i.e from these mailshots and bible courses they were/are doing. Now as for their unitarian doctrines and beliefs (i.e that Satan does not literally exist), these were not taught in all fairness to them during their free bible courses, but only briefly mentioned at the end - and what I have not yet told you in this post or the previous post - is that the angels who are watching everything, are aware some of these doctrines are terribly wrong. Which is why I saw Satan, because of who this message is for - but there is compassion towards those who are sincere, even if in doctrinal error. There is a difference, between the molten images of Egypt, i.e doctrines formed according to ones understanding at the levels of ones senses in which one trusts. And the molten images of Babylon, which signifys the love of the ruling over holy things - and also by that I mean doctrines designed to make that Church money. Mystery Babylon - the name of that Church, is called Babylon because it signifies the love of ruling over holy things - and that is evil. And what I saw that day, and thereafter was also to reveal to me that our mother has been involved with "THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH". Due to her fornication and alliegiances made with the Kings of the earth.
The true Church is not the worldly Church.
I am sorry if you are Catholic but you should know these things by now "come out of her my people".
The angel was agonising over the fact that CD theology does not fully turn people to Jesus (another reason I saw Satan on that day in 1982 because of who this message was always for), because by extention this reveals something else I am not going to go into right now - although he did not say this in so many words, he said I would have to write to them about it. And that is also why - I am sure - he kept repeating the name "Jesus" - i.e "it was a wonderful thing what they are doing turning people to Jesus", and "turn to Jesus with all your heart and mind", and finally I was told that in that church (the CD's) there "were some people the do really love Jesus and these Jesus wants to save", but that everyone that thinks they are saved "are not". So it was anything but a endorsement of the Christadelphians - but it was not broadly damning either. While unfortunately - for Catholics - what I saw and was allowed to see in relation to the papacy (I was allowed to see Revelation 17:4) and what I was taught thereafter in visions, is damning for that Church and those who hold to its insane beliefs.
The Catholic mass is satanic. It is not Jesus that is present it is Satan. The body of Jesus is not literally His body, its a bit of bread. It signifies his words. You do not eat God. Its blasphemmous, satanic and silly.
Now I can state this with absolute assurance because I absolutely know what I have seen (been shown), and also why that this mass is a black mass.
Further - you do not confess to priests. You confess to Jesus, He is our High Priest. A priest needs no priest or vicar.
3 - God did not "make me fall away from the faith". Though if He did from Catholicism it was a blessing. Not least because "all those who worship" man as God - that is the papacy "do not have their names written in the book of life". Now if you are a Catholic I am sure you will by now be convinced I am insane. But i know some people reading this will no exactly what I am referring to. As should by now everyone.
The angel did not say 'I am making you fall away', he said "you will fall away". It was something I would just do - I chose to do. Perhaps even i needed to do - as during those years I learnt Gods ways were right through the experience of life.
You said " I find it suspicious that you claim that you forgot by God's power for 16 years. I am unaware of any such claim by anyone else, in the Bible or not". I say - You should read the Bible more carefully. The Holy Spirit, when given, brings us "into remembrance" of things that were said, and all the I taught. That is precisely what happened to me. If I had lived with the memory of that as a child I think I would have had a pretty strange childhood, as it was - it for me to remember as a adult, and I am deeply grateful for that. By Gods grace I was allowed a normal childhood free from these concerns until I would welcome them in my adult life. It is a burden I am happy with - even grateful for. But at the time i asked the angel if he could make me forget about what I had just saw. It was my choice, though he knew I would ask this I could tell.
4 - You joke about the papacys hand - I hardly expect anyone to change their understanding of his holy see based upon the temperature of his hand. Obviously, he meant cold, as in he sensed this, as oppossed to poor circulation etc. That bit is actually slightly irrelevant, I mention it only as these were my fathers words (silly or not), and if you read a little further on I say that he knew something (on which he based those remarks), but I never got to find or ask what - as he died in 1992.

You say "there is no worship" of the papacy. This is just not true.
There may be little obvious bowing, but nearly half a million people had turned up to the see this (man), some of whome had slept outside for 3 days in a row just to get a good view of him - why? Heaven knows why and detests it; "get thee behind me Satan for you are an offence to me". Just about sums it up.
I was their on that day - and immediately prior to my angelic encounter - we had equated this man with the son of God. And I now feel that is repulsive a thought as the angels of heaven. Not everyone thinks like this - but enough do, and have done for hundreds of years; "woe to the fool who puts his trust in man".
The papacy stands in front of our Real High Priest - Lord Jesus.
And everything Babylon does is to take His power and apply it to themselves
I will only say what the angel said "this is sad".

Now of course the tactic that will be used by the Catholic apologists will be to ridicule me, and I expect that. But every word I have said it true.

Good night.

[mercia]

Today @ 04:56 PM post located here
Solly:



It's not a very consistant account; and that is just the first page.

I was 12 years old. I had never taken communion. I had been to Church about 4 or 5 times in my life, with my Catholic grandmother on a sunday. I had no idea of the procedures and rituals involved in Catholic mass at that time.

But I did pray everynight with the grandmother. I can remember a 10 minute or more prayer routine I would go through with her everynight - hailing mary and walking through the valley of death etc. Praying to this saint and the pope, but never seeming to pray to Jesus.

[spl_cadet]

Just curious: Was this “event” during the papal visit to Ireland in 1979 or during the papal visit to the UK in 1982? You alternate between the two dates, which I find a bit odd. Most people can remember what year they were 12 in.

1 - No it was not a "demonic hallucination". Do demons say "turn to Jesus with all your heart and mind"?

Does God use cults?
Furthermore on the Christadelphians bit, where in Bible or any other prophecy is there mention of forgetfulness as a gift from God?

I also noticed he could not lie to me, or would not lie to me as I asked him as many questions as I could think of at the time - about my mum and others I was shown.

And simply because he didn’t lie means that he’s an angel? You have a lot to learn about the supernatural.

And the molten images of Babylon, which signifys the love of the ruling over holy things - and also by that I mean doctrines designed to make that Church money.

We don’t have any doctrines like that. Heck, the Vatican nearly went broke. Had a deficit for two decades until 1991 or so when enough bishops started sending money back to the Holy See.

Due to her fornication and alliegiances made with the Kings of the earth.

And which allegiances would that be? Everyone tends to be rather unfriendly towards the Vatican.

The true Church is not the worldly Church.

The true Church was founded on St. Peter. Matthew 16:18
"I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.” NASB

So it was anything but a endorsement of the Christadelphians - but it was not broadly damning either.

Using the CD to bring you back would rather be an endorsement from God methinks.

damning for that Church and those who hold to its insane beliefs.

Insane beliefs? What’s so insane about our beliefs?

It signifies his words. You do not eat God.

Wrong. John 6:53-57
So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves. "He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. "For My flesh is true food, and My blood is true drink. "He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. "As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats Me, he also will live because of Me.

The Greek word used here to mean eat literally refers to gnawing or munching and has no metaphorical meaning. Furthermore, upon being questioned Christ reiterated this saying, which He did not do when a metaphorical parable of His was taken literally (in such cases He would explain to them the meaning).

Further - you do not confess to priests.

John 20:22-23
And when He had said this, He breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit. "If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained."

Not least because "all those who worship" man as God - that is the papacy "do not have their names written in the book of life".

We don’t worship the papacy. To do so would be ridiculous and forbidden by Catholic teaching.

Now if you are a Catholic I am sure you will by now be convinced I am insane.

Nope, merely ignorant.

The angel did not say 'I am making you fall away', he said "you will fall away". It was something I would just do - I chose to do.

Except for the teensy little fact that it was an “act of God” by making you “forget” that caused the falling away.

You should read the Bible more carefully. The Holy Spirit, when given, brings us "into remembrance" of things that were said, and all the I taught.

Do you have any supporting Scripture, including examples?

You say "there is no worship" of the papacy. This is just not true.
There may be little obvious bowing, but nearly half a million people had turned up to the see this (man), some of whome had slept outside for 3 days in a row just to get a good view of him - why?

Because he’s famous and popular and believed to be a holy man. A papal visit is like a dozen Super Bowls. Of course we are going to be excited about meeting the pope. I suppose the fact that people often sleep outside of theaters or schools for days, waiting for the first tickets or a chance to get their kids into the schools means that they worship the movie or school, doesn’t it?

Now of course the tactic that will be used by the Catholic apologists will be to ridicule me, and I expect that.

You are the only one doing any ridiculing.

I was 12 years old. I had never taken communion. I had been to Church about 4 or 5 times in my life, with my Catholic grandmother on a sunday. I had no idea of the procedures and rituals involved in Catholic mass at that time.

That’s hardly an answer to his statement. Furthermore, were you even baptized? And how often did your grandmother attend Mass?

But I did pray everynight with the grandmother. I can remember a 10 minute or more prayer routine I would go through with her everynight - hailing mary and walking through the valley of death etc. Praying to this saint and the pope, but never seeming to pray to Jesus.

Firstly, no one prays to JPII.
Second, “through the valley of death” is a Psalm addressed to the Lord. So you’ve just contradicted yourself.

Finally, I have proof that this is a flat-out lie that you have maliciously made up.
THERE WAS NO PAPAL MASS IN 1982!

There was no papal mass on the trip to the United Kingdom in 1982, or at the least no mention of it anywhere on the Internet, which would be strange, since I can find mention of the other papal masses. I can only conclude that such a Mass did not occur.

I demand an immediate retraction of your lying and offensive work, and an apology to the one billion Catholics of the world whom you have attacked with this trash.

[mercia]

Today @ 12:54 AM post located here
spl_cadet:

Just curious: Was this “event” during the papal visit to Ireland in 1979 or during the papal visit to the UK in 1982? You alternate between the two dates, which I find a bit odd. Most people can remember what year they were 12 in.



Does God use cults?
Furthermore on the Christadelphians bit, where in Bible or any other prophecy is there mention of forgetfulness as a gift from God?



And simply because he didn’t lie means that he’s an angel? You have a lot to learn about the supernatural.



We don’t have any doctrines like that. Heck, the Vatican nearly went broke. Had a deficit for two decades until 1991 or so when enough bishops started sending money back to the Holy See.



And which allegiances would that be? Everyone tends to be rather unfriendly towards the Vatican.



The true Church was founded on St. Peter. Matthew 16:18
"I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.” NASB



Using the CD to bring you back would rather be an endorsement from God methinks.



Insane beliefs? What’s so insane about our beliefs?



Wrong. John 6:53-57
So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves. "He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. "For My flesh is true food, and My blood is true drink. "He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. "As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats Me, he also will live because of Me.

The Greek word used here to mean eat literally refers to gnawing or munching and has no metaphorical meaning. Furthermore, upon being questioned Christ reiterated this saying, which He did not do when a metaphorical parable of His was taken literally (in such cases He would explain to them the meaning).



John 20:22-23
And when He had said this, He breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit. "If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained."



We don’t worship the papacy. To do so would be ridiculous and forbidden by Catholic teaching.



Nope, merely ignorant.



Except for the teensy little fact that it was an “act of God” by making you “forget” that caused the falling away.



Do you have any supporting Scripture, including examples?



Because he’s famous and popular and believed to be a holy man. A papal visit is like a dozen Super Bowls. Of course we are going to be excited about meeting the pope. I suppose the fact that people often sleep outside of theaters or schools for days, waiting for the first tickets or a chance to get their kids into the schools means that they worship the movie or school, doesn’t it?



You are the only one doing any ridiculing.



That’s hardly an answer to his statement. Furthermore, were you even baptized? And how often did your grandmother attend Mass?



Firstly, no one prays to JPII.
Second, “through the valley of death” is a Psalm addressed to the Lord. So you’ve just contradicted yourself.

Finally, I have proof that this is a flat-out lie that you have maliciously made up.
THERE WAS NO PAPAL MASS IN 1982!

There was no papal mass on the trip to the United Kingdom in 1982, or at the least no mention of it anywhere on the Internet, which would be strange, since I can find mention of the other papal masses. I can only conclude that such a Mass did not occur.

I demand an immediate retraction of your lying and offensive work, and an apology to the one billion Catholics of the world whom you have attacked with this trash.

> You might not like it - But lying it is not. Sorry
I cannot retract something that is the truth - and will not.
Research the matter first. Revelation 17 - try search engines. It is time to open your eyes. Forget about tradition. What did Jesus spend His whole ministry fighting against?
Also - you should be more concerned about offending God than offending man/religion or "one billion Catholics world wide".
I know who I am must afraid of offending - and this is why I will not lie "a false witness SHALL PERISH". Now you can take this the wrong way, or the right way, thats all I can say on the matter.

It is not my wish to offend anyone, but infact help and enlighten.
If the moderator thinks this is offensive, then so be it.

I have not got confused between 2 dates, i dont know where you got 1979 from its not in any of my posts. THe date was 1982. This was when the pope came to the UK.

-Since when did i say "forgetfullness was a gift of God" ?
Do you think a 12 year old should be praying "now at the hour of my death" etc ? its all tradition. Praying to Mary is rediculous.
-Alllegiances, the Vatican? research this, I would be writing all day. What do you think "mother of all harlots" means? if a woman symbollically represents a church?

- his blood signifies his life = to walk as he walked, live as He lived
- his body signifies his words = give us our daily bread.

He said do this in "remembrance". For insane doctrines designed to make money - click here http://users.ev1.net/~damonm/catholi...s/chron_3.html
- they are unique to the Catholic Church - why?

Listen, I dont wish ill on the pope, Catholics or anyone. I wish the exact oppossite, but please look into these matters.
Forget about popes, priests, bishops and mass etc. Just rediscover the simple truth, "turn to Jesus with all your heart and mind".

Good luck
God bless
Russ

[Undomiel]

I demand an immediate retraction of your lying and offensive work, and an apology to the one billion Catholics of the world whom you have attacked with this trash.

Whoa, this is really .... I don't have words for how bizarre it is to hear someone demanding an apology in this manner. I could see it if you were demanding an apology for someone saying offensive things about the Lord, but this is over the top don't you think? Gonna whip out that sword and slice off someone's ear, Peter?

[mercia]

Today @ 12:54 AM post located here
spl_cadet:

Just curious: Was this “event” during the papal visit to Ireland in 1979 or during the papal visit to the UK in 1982? You alternate between the two dates, which I find a bit odd. Most people can remember what year they were 12 in.



Does God use cults?
Furthermore on the Christadelphians bit, where in Bible or any other prophecy is there mention of forgetfulness as a gift from God?



And simply because he didn’t lie means that he’s an angel? You have a lot to learn about the supernatural.



We don’t have any doctrines like that. Heck, the Vatican nearly went broke. Had a deficit for two decades until 1991 or so when enough bishops started sending money back to the Holy See.



And which allegiances would that be? Everyone tends to be rather unfriendly towards the Vatican.



The true Church was founded on St. Peter. Matthew 16:18
"I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.” NASB



Using the CD to bring you back would rather be an endorsement from God methinks.



Insane beliefs? What’s so insane about our beliefs?



Wrong. John 6:53-57
So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves. "He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. "For My flesh is true food, and My blood is true drink. "He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. "As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats Me, he also will live because of Me.

The Greek word used here to mean eat literally refers to gnawing or munching and has no metaphorical meaning. Furthermore, upon being questioned Christ reiterated this saying, which He did not do when a metaphorical parable of His was taken literally (in such cases He would explain to them the meaning).



John 20:22-23
And when He had said this, He breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit. "If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained."



We don’t worship the papacy. To do so would be ridiculous and forbidden by Catholic teaching.



Nope, merely ignorant.



Except for the teensy little fact that it was an “act of God” by making you “forget” that caused the falling away.



Do you have any supporting Scripture, including examples?



Because he’s famous and popular and believed to be a holy man. A papal visit is like a dozen Super Bowls. Of course we are going to be excited about meeting the pope. I suppose the fact that people often sleep outside of theaters or schools for days, waiting for the first tickets or a chance to get their kids into the schools means that they worship the movie or school, doesn’t it?



You are the only one doing any ridiculing.



That’s hardly an answer to his statement. Furthermore, were you even baptized? And how often did your grandmother attend Mass?



Firstly, no one prays to JPII.
Second, “through the valley of death” is a Psalm addressed to the Lord. So you’ve just contradicted yourself.

Finally, I have proof that this is a flat-out lie that you have maliciously made up.
THERE WAS NO PAPAL MASS IN 1982!

There was no papal mass on the trip to the United Kingdom in 1982, or at the least no mention of it anywhere on the Internet, which would be strange, since I can find mention of the other papal masses. I can only conclude that such a Mass did not occur.

I demand an immediate retraction of your lying and offensive work, and an apology to the one billion Catholics of the world whom you have attacked with this trash.

> You might not like it - But lying it is not. Sorry
I cannot retract something that is the truth - and will not.
Research the matter first. Revelation 17 - try search engines. It is time to open your eyes. Forget about tradition. What did Jesus spend His whole ministry fighting against?
Also - you should be more concerned about offending God than offending man/religion or "one billion Catholics world wide".
I know who I am must afraid of offending - and this is why I will not lie "a false witness SHALL PERISH". Now you can take this the wrong way, or the right way, thats all I can say on the matter.

It is not my wish to offend anyone, but infact help and enlighten.
If the moderator thinks this is offensive, then so be it.

I have not got confused between 2 dates, i dont know where you got 1979 from its not in any of my posts. THe date was 1982. This was when the pope came to the UK.

-Since when did i say "forgetfullness was a gift of God" ?
Do you think a 12 year old should be praying "now at the hour of my death" etc ? its all tradition. Praying to Mary is rediculous.
-Alllegiances, the Vatican? research this, I would be writing all day. What do you think "mother of all harlots" means? if a woman symbollically represents a church?

- his blood signifies his life = to walk as he walked, live as He lived
- his body signifies his words = give us our daily bread.

He said do this in "remembrance". For insane doctrines designed to make money - click here http://users.ev1.net/~damonm/catholi...s/chron_3.html
- they are unique to the Catholic Church - why?

Listen, I dont wish ill on the pope, Catholics or anyone. I wish the exact oppossite, but please look into these matters.
Forget about popes, priests, bishops and mass etc. Just rediscover the simple truth, "turn to Jesus with all your heart and mind".

Good luck
God bless
Russ

[mercia]

Today @ 01:49 AM post located here
mercia:




> You might not like it - But lying it is not. Sorry
I cannot retract something that is the truth - and will not.
Research the matter first. Revelation 17 - try search engines. It is time to open your eyes. Forget about tradition. What did Jesus spend His whole ministry fighting against?
Also - you should be more concerned about offending God than offending man/religion or "one billion Catholics world wide".
I know who I am must afraid of offending - and this is why I will not lie "a false witness SHALL PERISH". Now you can take this the wrong way, or the right way, thats all I can say on the matter.

It is not my wish to offend anyone, but infact help and enlighten.
If the moderator thinks this is offensive, then so be it.

I have not got confused between 2 dates, i dont know where you got 1979 from its not in any of my posts. THe date was 1982. This was when the pope came to the UK.

-Since when did i say "forgetfullness was a gift of God" ?
Do you think a 12 year old should be praying "now at the hour of my death" etc ? its all tradition. Praying to Mary is rediculous.
-Alllegiances, the Vatican? research this, I would be writing all day. What do you think "mother of all harlots" means? if a woman symbollically represents a church?

- his blood signifies his life = to walk as he walked, live as He lived
- his body signifies his words = give us our daily bread.

He said do this in "remembrance". For insane doctrines designed to make money - click here http://users.ev1.net/~damonm/catholi...s/chron_3.html
- they are unique to the Catholic Church - why?

Listen, I dont wish ill on the pope, Catholics or anyone. I wish the exact oppossite, but please look into these matters.
Forget about popes, priests, bishops and mass etc. Just rediscover the simple truth, "turn to Jesus with all your heart and mind".

Good luck
God bless
Russ

> MASS http://users.ev1.net/~damonm/catholi...s/chron_2.html

> http://google.yahoo.com/bin/query?p=...&hc=0&hs=0&ac=

> http://www.mt.net/~watcher/vaticanmain.html

>http://www.iconbusters.com/iconbuste...p-building.htm

>http://www.iconbusters.com/iconbuste..._ch/two_ch.htm

[Undomiel]

Today @ 02:08 AM post located here
mercia:




> http://www.mt.net/~watcher/vaticanmain.html

That's an interesting one. The page on the New World Order was especially interesting. I like his website. He has alot of odd but interesting things to say on several topics. Particularly of interest was his mention of Semiramis:


"...That beautiful but abandoned queen of Babylon was not only herself a paragon of unbridled lust and licentiousness, but in the Mysteries which she had a chief hand in forming, she was worshipped as Rhea, the great "Mother" of the gods..."
The religion which she had a chief hand in forming was Baal worship. The main focus of this religion took the form of a statue of a virgin mother and child. The child was called Tammuz who was declared to be a reincarnation of Nimrod who had returned to save the world. Statues of the virgin mother and child were placed in temples and homes, and people would pray to them.
As the religion took hold, worship centred increasingly on the virgin mother, rather than on the child. Satan's religion spread from Babylon to Canaan and Egypt and was an abomination to God.

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I don't think the RCC was even aware of the similarities between Semiramis worship at the time, however, because they would not have allowed the inclusion of Revelation to the bible during the Ecumenical council (Laodicea? Trent? I forget which one). I think this also bears some proofs that the translation of the KJV bible was pretty accurate cause the scribes involved had first hand knowledge of the prophecies and would've hacked them to bits before they allowed them to speak harshly of the RCC. Also, the Satanic influence over the RCC must've been waning that day during the council or they would've seen the prophecy referred to them and ruled it as unbiblical. There's alot of loopholes in the theory that the RCC is the Great Whore, just as there are alot of loopholes in the RCC itself.

The last time I heard something anti-catholic like this, it was from Seventh Day Adventists or Jehovah Witnesses (?). It was a little film on a website about the various aspects of the Papal garb. I thought it went over the edge in its zeal to prove its point and actually ended up making the case look less likely. But it had some salient points. I've heard similar arguments, however, against all christianity by Acharya S. She compared Christianity to Mithraism and convinced a huge audience of people that she knew what she was talking about. This stuff is like loaded and lit dynamite.

[mercia]

The main focus of this religion took the form of a statue of a virgin mother and child. The child was called Tammuz who was declared to be a reincarnation of Nimrod who had returned to save the world. Statues of the virgin mother and child were placed in temples and homes, and people would pray to them.
As the religion took hold, worship centred increasingly on the virgin mother, rather than on the child. Satan's religion spread from Babylon to Canaan and Egypt and was an abomination to God.

> EXACTLY !!! Thats why the Church of Rome, is called MYSTERY BABYLON. Thats why the angel told me I would understand in my adult life. Thats why I saw the things I did in 82.
Can I just say, that when I was reading the last post from the Catholic, when I got to the bottom of the post and read those last words "Catholic evangelist', I felt really sad.
Please please please dont take all this the wrong way. Whats a Church? A Church is nothing? Its the Lord that matters! The thing is they have adopted lots of pagan ideas the derive from Babylon and false worship like that has always been a abomination to God, just read the O.T. If you are Catholic and you read that, thats because it was destiny or fate you would read that, so please dont take it the wrong way. There are some wonderful people still in the Catholic church, but God is sending them messages in these times. All that matters is serving Him properly, and people are still getting messages - we did - my family did. None of them took it the wrong way. Please just look into these matters yourself. It doesnt matter about what I saw, the evidence in the Bible - Revelation chapter 17. Just look into it you will be amazed. The thing is, according to the Foxs book of Martyrs, Rome massacred 100 million suppossed heretics. Now if a "thousand years is a day to the Lord" as Peter says, then that happened this morning, I mean you cant just forget things like this? Some of these martyrs will be the saints that are coming to judge this world, will they then not judge Rome for what they did to them? And the holocaust this century, if you research this is was the vaticans meddiling in politics (which is called whoredom in the Old Testament) that lead to the rise of Hitler. This is what happens when the Church meddles in the domain of the prince of this world - Satan. What I am trying to say is this - God is not happy with the mother Church, - not happy at all. Forget about religious tradition - treat this as a message, and just serve the Lord. Thats all that matters - just do what He wants us to do. And He doesnt want us in (any) of the major state religions in these last days - and these ARE the last days.

Sorry if this is offensive, but I see it the other way. I see God is acting in our time, giving messages and revealing messages in prophecy. We should listen to Him = we must take note.

Good luck
God Bless all
Russ

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