Roe V. Wade has done nothing to increase access for America's rural poor

[anthrogirl]

The pro-life/anti-abortion movement is working. Mississippi has only one abortion clinic in the whole state. States are required to make abortions available to the extent that seeking an abortion should not put undue burden on the woman seeking the procedure. But access is highly limited by state regulations.

Please visit the following link for a ton of info regarding abortion access in this country:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/clinic/


Did anyone else see this Frontline report last night? I highly recommend it--loaded with information.

ag

[Minnesota]

Are you saying that states must insure there are abortions providers? Not arguing the point, but only curious.

[anthrogirl]

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/clinic/etc/map.html

In 1992, the United States Supreme Court ruled in Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania v. Casey that states could regulate abortion so long as it did not place an "undue burden" on the woman; the Court defined an undue burden as one that placed "significant obstacles in the path of a woman seeking an abortion." With that opening, states throughout the country over the past 13 years have passed over 200 regulations that limit in various ways access to abortion.

© source where applicable

[Da Lone-Warrior]

You might like Serrin Foster's feminist case against abortion.

http://www.veritas.org/3.0_media/talks/98

It's not "religious" per se and it's quite pragmatic and historically oriented.

dlw

[Arnold]

The pro-life/anti-abortion movement is working. Mississippi has only one abortion clinic in the whole state. States are required to make abortions available to the extent that seeking an abortion should not put undue burden on the woman seeking the procedure. But access is highly limited by state regulations.

Please visit the following link for a ton of info regarding abortion access in this country:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/clinic/


Did anyone else see this Frontline report last night? I highly recommend it--loaded with information.

ag

So I presume there are dead women all along the roadsides with coathangers - isn't that the horror story we've heard for this circumstance?

[anthrogirl]

So I presume there are dead women all along the roadsides with coathangers - isn't that the horror story we've heard for this circumstance?

uh, no. but there are a lot of poor rural women with many poor rural children.

ag

[Arnold]

uh, no. but there are a lot of poor rural women with many poor rural children.

ag

And you're saying those poor children would be better off flushed down the toilet?

[brother vinny]

And you're saying those poor children would be better off flushed down the toilet?

In psychological parlance, what anthrogirl would be doing in that case is called "projection."

[Twilly Spree]

I heard about it today, otherwise I would have definitely tuned in.

Thanks for the information though Anthro.

[anthrogirl]

And you're saying those poor children would be better off flushed down the toilet?

I'm not saying anything about what should or shouldn't happen to children. This thread is about access and the law.

I haven't even shared my views on abortion with you, Arnold. Stop putting your perverted words in my mouth.


The Frontline documentary was excellent--non-biased, and as a result, extremely informative. I recommend it to everyone, regardless of your views on abortion. You can watch it for free online at the link that I provided earlier. Or you could read the transcript.

best,
ag

[Teallaura]

We have these things called hospitals - last I looked they were fully qualified to provide abortions - but virtually none chose to outside of medical necessity or in some hospitals, selective abortions of multiple babies.

Got any examples of regulations placing an 'undue burden'? Last I looked, hospitals and doctor's offices were better regulated.... And they manage to stay in business....

I live in a very rural area. My patients manage to get where they need to be, even those without cars, when they need to be there. In a three month window, this just isn't an insurmountable problem. It's seventy miles to the nearest big town - and I have patients going a lot further than that for care.

Now, coming up with the money for it, that's another story... reckon PP will pop for a few?

My guess, plenty of clinics in the surrounding states take Miss. M'caid as well....




I like Frontline - but unbiased, they aren't. They do some good stuff, but you have to pay attention - just like with anything thing else.

[Arnold]

I'm not saying anything about what should or shouldn't happen to children. This thread is about access and the law.

I haven't even shared my views on abortion with you, Arnold. Stop putting your perverted words in my mouth.


The Frontline documentary was excellent--non-biased, and as a result, extremely informative. I recommend it to everyone, regardless of your views on abortion. You can watch it for free online at the link that I provided earlier. Or you could read the transcript.

best,
ag

What's the matter - am I hitting a little too close to the mark... ?

Why don't you just answer my question? Do you think these poor rural children that you intimated many were the result of not being aborted, would have been better off flushed down a toilet before they were born?

[anthrogirl]

We have these things called hospitals - last I looked they were fully qualified to provide abortions - but virtually none chose to outside of medical necessity or in some hospitals, selective abortions of multiple babies.

you're right--hospitals could provide abortions--but they usually don't. Many doctors have not rec'd the neccessary training for performing abortions. And many hospitals do not provide abortions because they don't have the resources on hand, or they don't want to get involved for any number of political and financial reasons.

Got any examples of regulations placing an 'undue burden'? Last I looked, hospitals and doctor's offices were better regulated.... And they manage to stay in business....

Here is a map listing all of the regulations for each state:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...c/etc/map.html

I live in a very rural area. My patients manage to get where they need to be, even those without cars, when they need to be there. In a three month window, this just isn't an insurmountable problem. It's seventy miles to the nearest big town - and I have patients going a lot further than that for care.

Yes, and if the nearest dentist or oral surgeon were 70 miles away, this would be considered a public health concern (and indeed, this is not an uncommon problem for the rural poor). The problem of access for medical services is one of the main focuses of public health.

And some women simply cannot travel four hours for multiple appointments (such as req'd counseling and pre-abortion screening events) several times before the procedure. They cannot afford childcare, time off from work, and/or travel expenses. For some women, the distance is indeed an insurmountable issue.

Now, coming up with the money for it, that's another story... reckon PP will pop for a few?

Yes. But as you know, the cost of medical care is greater than the medical fees alone. As I mentioned before, extra expenses are incurred when things like time off work, childcare, and travel costs are included.

My guess, plenty of clinics in the surrounding states take Miss. M'caid as well....

Not true. For many procedures, services must be provided by in-state clinics and hospitals.

I like Frontline - but unbiased, they aren't. They do some good stuff, but you have to pay attention - just like with anything thing else.

Yes. This is why I am recommending the program. It is a good resource for information, no matter which side of the argument you favor.

It's funny, I still haven't disclosed my own position on the subject, but the tone of each response in this thread has been either overtly or passively accusatory. Interesting.

ag

[Jimmy Higgins]

It's funny, I still haven't disclosed my own position on the subject, but the tone of each response in this thread has been either overtly or passively accusatory. Interesting.

ag

Because it's obvious what your stance on it is. Any person who can calmly and intelligently discuss a subject must clearly be for that subject! You haven't used a single red herring or strawman, so you must not only support abortions, but you must go walking around Oregon, handing coupons out to people to get free abortions.

And in other news, Alito spoke in his dissent of the District Court's ruling on Casey v PP, and what I think may grow into a bigger dilema for abortion in this nation, is how you define what a "burden" is and if it constitutes a burden on a "broad" population. Alito spoke bluntly in his dissent that there would always be a person here or there that would inevitably be harmed by the law, however, if such a burden didn't apply broadly, the burden wouldn't be unconstitutional. Roe v Wade won't be overturned, but they may try to make it so gray that getting an abortion... for the proles may become very hard.

[The Laughing Man]

The pro-life/anti-abortion movement is working. Mississippi has only one abortion clinic in the whole state. States are required to make abortions available to the extent that seeking an abortion should not put undue burden on the woman seeking the procedure. But access is highly limited by state regulations.

Please visit the following link for a ton of info regarding abortion access in this country:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/clinic/


Did anyone else see this Frontline report last night? I highly recommend it--loaded with information.

I caught some of it and I thought it was actually not too bad. Quite balanced, in fact. I think PBS really is starting to turn the corner on being balanced. A few years ago, it would've been heavily biased towards the pro-abortion side. I particularly liked the last (I think) line of the show, with the abortion advocate stating that the pro-lifers were winning. What a great note to end the show on.

Well, unless you're not pro-life...